ReleaseStatus Minutes 2008-12-15 IRC log

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(14:58:43) mla: hi
(14:59:57) thorstenziehm [n=chatzill@192.18.8.1] entered the room.
(15:00:06) mdamboldt: Hello and welcome everybody!
(15:00:27) mdamboldt: The build of a fullblown RC 3.0.1 has been started today. (OOO300)
(15:00:28) mdamboldt: Upload will be done asap after build is finnished and we have all installation sets at hand.
(15:00:28) mdamboldt: Currently no known open stopper on 3.0.1 (according to meta issue)
(15:01:14) mdamboldt: Anybody who wants to raise something in relation to 3.0.1?
(15:01:18) MechtiIde: mom
(15:01:48) calc: hi
(15:01:59) MechtiIde: Issue 97159 if possible
(15:02:07) IZBot: Database access DEFECT NEW P2 Query doesn't work any more http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=97159
(15:02:35) MechtiIde: sorry
(15:02:40) MechtiIde: 97139
(15:02:53) MechtiIde: because of regression against 3.0.0
(15:04:09) blauwal: MechtiIde: is this one also in 3.0.1 RC? The issue is files against DEV300 m35 (3.1 line)
(15:04:24) mdamboldt: The issue version field says "DEV300m35" in case if it's existing on OOO300 too, this can be a stopper I think.
(15:04:33) MechtiIde: blauwal I mean 97139
(15:04:40) MechtiIde: first I had a typo
(15:04:50) blauwal: ah, ok
(15:05:14) _rene_: locking strikes back...
(15:06:00) _rene_: MechtiIde: you are sure your system/nfs did not change at all?
(15:06:50) MechtiIde: it is the same system which I can use with 3.0 and further
(15:06:56) MechtiIde: or and before
(15:08:29) UweL: the discussion last week ended with "no blocker", do we need a second try?
(15:09:14) _rene_: UweL: well, no wonder when issues are found after the meeting ;-)
(15:09:56) _rene_: UweL: e.g. the build problems after swffixes :-)
(15:09:56) UweL: this is not the only place where issues are discussed
(15:10:08) mdamboldt: Regarding 97139 I would look for detailed feedback from mav. According to mav it does not seem to be related to file locking.
(15:10:21) _rene_: "discussion last week" means this meeting for me, otherwise you have to be more precise ;-)
(15:10:59) UweL: newsgroups
(15:11:00) _rene_: for non-Sunnies
(15:11:10) UweL: public
(15:11:16) _rene_: so mailing lists.
(15:11:19) MechtiIde: I have no knowledge about a discussion if it is a blocker or not
(15:11:42) _rene_: there's no newsgroup but a Sun-owned mail<->news gateway which hides that it's mailing lists ;-)
(15:11:51) mdamboldt: mav will take a deeper look and update the issues afterwards.
(15:11:52) _rene_: ok
(15:11:53) _rene_: anyway
(15:12:05) mdamboldt: Any other item for 3.0.1?
(15:12:07) _rene_: *if* this issue remains, it's a blocker
(15:12:20) rtimm: mdamboldt: what does that mean, when will we know more?
(15:12:25) _rene_: but I am confused because wasn't 3.0.1 supposed to go back tzo 2.4s locking?
(15:12:41) _rene_: in this case 2.4, 3.0 *and* 3.0.1 should be "broken"
(15:13:25) rtimm: If we have a blocker, m14 is not a RC. In other words: RC next year.
(15:13:48) mdamboldt: rtimm: When mav finished evaluation.
(15:13:53) thorstenziehm: _rene_ : the old file locking is a new feature, because a new tabpage will be integrated to give the user the new and the old handling
(15:13:54) rtimm: If it's no blocker, we'll have a RC called m14 available before christmas
(15:14:10) mdamboldt: Mechtilde: jsk talks about a 64bit system in the issue, did you use 64bit system, too?
(15:14:28) MechtiIde: not for this problem
(15:14:29) thorstenziehm: therefore OOo 3.1 and the CWS isn't 'approved by QA' until now, but I hope it will be before Feature Freeze
(15:14:43) MechtiIde: it is ona 32 bit maschine with a 32 bit System
(15:15:09) _rene_: MechtiIde: even if it was on a 64bit version, that would not be a reason against it being a blocker ;-)
(15:15:12) _rene_: uh
(15:15:17) _rene_: mdamboldt: even if it was on a 64bit version, that would not be a reason against it being a blocker ;-)
(15:15:25) MechtiIde: mdamboldt, and in the issue I don't see any question about a 64 bit system
(15:15:47) rtimm: mdamboldt: so we'll have a follow up meeting 'when mav finished evaluation', or what do you propose?
(15:15:48) MechtiIde: I reproduce it with a 64 bit system
(15:15:55) MechtiIde: s/I/he
(15:16:08) blauwal: MechtiIde: Do you know if this happens only with VFAT or does it happen with other non-Posix filesystems as well, like NTFS?
(15:16:09) mdamboldt: jsk gave some data which was gathered on a 64bit system, not more not less, just wondering who has seen this and where...
(15:16:28) MechtiIde: blauwal, no tests with NTFS
(15:16:51) MechtiIde: blauwal it doesn't happen with nfs mounted partition
(15:17:04) blauwal: MechtiIde: ah, OK, thanks
(15:17:15) _rene_: ok, that's an important info.
(15:17:42) MechtiIde: I never tested to mount a NTFS system
(15:18:11) blauwal: MechtiIde: Well, VFAT isn't uncommon, many USB sticks are VFAT.
(15:19:39) mdamboldt: I would propose the following:
(15:19:39) mdamboldt: - To release the current build in progress as RC before x-mas.
(15:19:39) mdamboldt: - In case the FAT issue can't be fixed by MAV, than we release the RC with this known issue.
(15:19:39) mdamboldt: - This enables us to gather broader feedback on 3.0.1 during the x-mas break.
(15:19:46) MechtiIde: As I understand VFAT != NTFS
(15:20:18) _rene_: mdamboldt: +1
(15:20:23) MechtiIde: mdamboldt, under this condition +1
(15:20:33) _rene_: mdamboldt: of course, we shouldn't release final with this issue. but for rc1, ok
(15:21:44) rtimm: not happy whith that, but ... +1
(15:22:23) blauwal: +1
(15:22:26) mla: I think more feedback could be really helpful for this issue, so +1
(15:23:39) mdamboldt: Next topic 3.1, anything to raise here?
(15:23:39) mdamboldt: (btw. MAV is also working to meet the freature freeze for 3.1, probalby we should clone him)
(15:24:35) rtimm: :-)
(15:26:20) _rene_: .oO ( where's _Nesshof_ btw? )
(15:26:39) blauwal: _rene_: vacation ...
(15:28:04) _rene_: mdamboldt: can we please make cloned cwses from OOO300 "Release 3.1"?
(15:28:10) _rene_: mdamboldt: instead of 3.2?
(15:28:58) _rene_: mdamboldt: see https://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/cws.SearchCWS?TaskId=&INT_NULL_MilestoneCBefore=&INT_NULL_IsUIRelevant=&RSV_NoWait=true&INT_NULL_MilestoneIBefore=&QueryName=&Name=&Owner=&SRC_Step=Search&DATE_NULL_Integrated_Before=&DATE_NULL_DueDateBefore=&DATE_NULL_DueDateAfter=&INT_NULL_MilestoneIAfter=&QAResponsible=&Status=2&INT_NULL_MilestoneCAfter=&DATE_NULL_Integrated_After=&INT_NULL_IsHelpRelevant=
(15:29:13) _rene_: oh, already done :)
(15:29:18) _rene_: but can that be made default?
(15:29:25) rtimm: _rene_: no
(15:30:10) rtimm: _rene_: not unless we make 3.1 default release for DEV300 again
(15:30:17) _rene_: .oO ( macolefix4x11 should probably be 2.4.3ed )
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(15:30:41) _rene_: rtimm: hrm, ok :(
(15:30:42) rtimm: which does not really make sense when we have feature freeze this week
(15:31:35) _rene_: yay.
(15:32:22) _rene_: does anyone know what the status of the "reportbuilderext to DEV300" issue is?
(15:32:37) mdamboldt: _rene_: can't find macolefix4x11 or have an idea what you mean
(15:32:53) _rene_: mdamboldt: see URL. maybe I tyoped it
(15:33:16) mdamboldt: _rene_: can't open url right now....
(15:33:40) _rene_: because that one needs to go into DEV300 anyway, and so does configuretoplevel (many fixes, waiting for that task to complete for possibly needed adaptions)
(15:36:14) mdamboldt: _rene_: Accorind to KA reportbuilderext is planned for later this week.
(15:36:18) _rene_: and I (politely speaking) would not like it at all if 3.1 a) regressed wrt that extension b) configuretoplevel with all its fixes would be rejected
(15:36:45) _rene_: (it also adds the feature "svn mv config_office/* .")
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(15:39:13) mdamboldt: Anything else? Special topic is the x-mas break this week. I think it might be easier to mention the few who would be reachable the next days than vice versa.
(15:39:19) _rene_: mdamboldt: 7481 OOH680 macleofix4x11
(15:39:21) _rene_: This cws aims to fix the X11 issue (OpenOffice.org not launching) OOo 2.4.2 nominated 2008-09-30 OOH680m17 2008-12-31 2008-12-24 2008-10-21 2008-10-22 2008-10-24 ericb@openoffice.org pl@openoffice.org 1 false false true View details
(15:39:38) _rene_: mdamboldt: yes, I want an answer to my concern.
(15:40:24) rtimm: _rene_: yes, macleofix4x11 will go into 2.4.3 whenever that will be
(15:40:47) _rene_: rtimm: that was not my conern, that was a side-comment :)
(15:40:58) blauwal: _rene_: the problem with configuretoplevel is that it needs fixes to all the build bots. Might be a problem over the x-mas break
(15:42:20) _rene_: blauwal: that's no answer to my question.
(15:42:44) _rene_: blauwal: I can live with it being integrated after x-mas (especially as I need to wait for that reportbuilderext thing anyway)
(15:43:01) blauwal: _rene_: OK
(15:43:09) rtimm: _rene_: sorry, what was your question?
(15:43:12) _rene_: I just want a a definitite "yes, we'll integrate it when it's ready and not come with the 'feature freeze' argument')
(15:43:40) _rene_: (same for reportbuilderext)
(15:44:29) rtimm: feature freeze means office features, not build features
(15:46:21) mdamboldt: _rene_: fine with the answers?
(15:46:28) _rene_: yep
(15:47:00) mdamboldt: RE duties the next builds?
(15:48:25) blauwal: this week? Rüdiger (DEV300), KZ (OOO300). The next weeks ... whoever is at work. I'll take over if necessary
(15:48:35) mdamboldt: The next regular (with broader participation) meeting might be on Jan. 5th 2009 since many people would be off the next two weeks.
(15:49:04) MechtiIde: blauwal, when does you expect the binaries of m14 (RC1) are ready?
(15:49:54) blauwal: MechtiIde: Kurt thinks that the RC1 might be finish tomorrow. Add the usual upload delay ... maybe 2 or 3 days
(15:50:51) MechtiIde: finish tomorrow means "all CWSes integrated" or "Binary ready" by Sun internal
(15:50:53) MechtiIde: ??
(15:51:10) blauwal: MechtiIde: Binary ready. As always
(15:51:56) mdamboldt: Ok, happy christmas and I wish you all happy new year. Talk to you next year again.
(15:52:17) MechtiIde: same to you all
(15:52:33) mla: enjoy the days off
(15:52:44) blauwal: bye and happy holidays
(15:52:48) _rene_: dito
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