ReleaseStatus Minutes 2008-03-03 IRC log

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[03.03.2008 15:01] <_Nesshof_> moin

[03.03.2008 15:01] <_Nesshof_> rc2 is out now

[03.03.2008 15:01] <Fridrich> moin

[03.03.2008 15:02] <paveljanik> Hi

[03.03.2008 15:02] <_Nesshof_> issue 86585 has been raised

[03.03.2008 15:02] <_Nesshof_> where's izbot ?

[03.03.2008 15:02] <paveljanik> looks like he has still weekend.

[03.03.2008 15:02] <_Nesshof_> 2.4 RC2 Macros in embedded base forms do not function if sBase is the first module loaded

[03.03.2008 15:03] <paveljanik> that's at least ugly.

[03.03.2008 15:03] <_Nesshof_> and Issue 84487 ("Dialog width unexpectedly increments itself",

DEFECT, P3, Owner AB, patch available)


[03.03.2008 15:03] <_Nesshof_> they are both ugly

[03.03.2008 15:04] <_Nesshof_> but do we want to delay the release one more week for these ?

[03.03.2008 15:04] <_Nesshof_> for both are workarounds available

[03.03.2008 15:04] <paveljanik> do we plan 2.4.1?

[03.03.2008 15:05] <_Nesshof_> there will be a 2.4.1, only unsure when

[03.03.2008 15:05] <_rene_> doesn't matter for this decision

[03.03.2008 15:05] <_rene_> (imho)

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[03.03.2008 15:05] <Fridrich> 86585 should be addressed though

[03.03.2008 15:06] <_rene_> +1 for having 86585 as a blocker, -1 for 84487 (already in 2.3.1)

[03.03.2008 15:06] <paveljanik> I also tend to have the first one fixed.

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[03.03.2008 15:06] <paveljanik> and -1 for the second. Even when the patch is available.

[03.03.2008 15:06] <paveljanik> _rene_: exactly.

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[03.03.2008 15:07] <_Nesshof_> Kai_A: state of discussion is: +1 for having 86585 as a blocker, -1 for 84487 (already in 2.3.1)

[03.03.2008 15:08] <Fridrich> otoh, if there is a new rc, why not to have the second fixed too if it is not intrusive

[03.03.2008 15:08] <paveljanik> Fridrich: can you state it again without "... if"? -)

[03.03.2008 15:09] <Fridrich> paveljanik: no, if it is intrusive, sure -1

[03.03.2008 15:11] <paveljanik> anyone else?

[03.03.2008 15:12] <Kai_A> Fridrich: I totally agree with you and consider this as a showstopper that can and needs to be fixed

[03.03.2008 15:12] <_rene_> do we have a fix for those issues already?

[03.03.2008 15:13] <paveljanik> Kai_A: which issue you meant?

[03.03.2008 15:13] <paveljanik> The second is not a stopper because it was in 2.3.1.

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[03.03.2008 15:13] <paveljanik> not arguing that it is ugly... ;-)

[03.03.2008 15:14] <Kai_A> paveljanik: I'm talking about 84487, this _is_ an ugly bug with a patch already provided

[03.03.2008 15:16] <paveljanik> Kai_A: yes, but it was also in 2.3.1. What is the difference now?

[03.03.2008 15:16] <Fridrich> Kai_A: the problem is that one has to have clear assessment of risk on it. Because if this should be causing a regression, that would not be a smart move. /me trying to read the patch

[03.03.2008 15:17] <Fridrich> looks quite localized

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[03.03.2008 15:17] <Kai_A> paveljanik: that it can be fixed with an available patch, that seems to be not too complex

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[03.03.2008 15:18] <paveljanik> so should we now look for such issues in IZ? I do not think so...

[03.03.2008 15:18] <Fridrich> paveljanik: very localized patch http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/51857/i84487.patch

[03.03.2008 15:19] <Fridrich> the issue is http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=84487

[03.03.2008 15:19] <Kai_A> paveljanik: would help some of our customers a lot...

[03.03.2008 15:19] <paveljanik> too many lines... ;-)

[03.03.2008 15:19] <Fridrich> :-)

[03.03.2008 15:19] <Kai_A> paveljanik: why taking policies as god given?

[03.03.2008 15:19] <_rene_> *if* the risk is bearable I wouldn't mind taking thi sinto 2.4 (the fix is there)

[03.03.2008 15:20] <Fridrich> paveljanik: -0 +0 would be the least intrusive, but would not change anything

[03.03.2008 15:20] <_rene_> can be please discuss the "real" stopper now and when it will be fixed?

[03.03.2008 15:20] <UweL> both issues are for me "nice to have", but not as serious as most of the issues on the stopper list. I'd like to come to an end and move them to 2.4.1

[03.03.2008 15:21] <UweL> I mean, look at the list how many crashes and dataloss we fixed

[03.03.2008 15:21] <_rene_> UweL: eh? you want macros non-working when a base doc is opened from the beginning? sorry, that doesn't make real sense.~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~

[03.03.2008 15:22] <UweL> to you, ok.

[03.03.2008 15:22] <_rene_> UweL: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=86585 is a stopper, the other one is nice to have.

[03.03.2008 15:22] <_rene_> UweL: and think that the distros will ship 2.4, but 2.4.1..

[03.03.2008 15:22] <_rene_> eh

[03.03.2008 15:22] <_rene_> will ship 2.4, not 2.4.1

[03.03.2008 15:22] <Fridrich> aggree that http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=86585 is a stopper

[03.03.2008 15:23] <Kai_A> Fridrich: +1 for #86585

[03.03.2008 15:24] <_Nesshof_> Kai_A: when will we have a fix for 86585 ?

[03.03.2008 15:26] <Kai_A> _Nesshof_: not available at the moment

[03.03.2008 15:26] <Kai_A> _Nesshof_: meaning: don't know, even after asking fs

[03.03.2008 15:27] <_Nesshof_> Kai_A: gmmpf

[03.03.2008 15:28] <_Nesshof_> so we will agree on a ne release date target March 13th ?

[03.03.2008 15:28] <_Nesshof_> Kai_A: is Frank already done with nominating stoppers ? ;-)

[03.03.2008 15:30] <Kai_A> _Nesshof_: no other one known at the moment, but won't hesitate to do so if he finds one.

[03.03.2008 15:30] <_Nesshof_> have everybody seen the new release notes for 2.4 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/New_Features_2.4 and revied them

[03.03.2008 15:31] <_Nesshof_> i got the request also to integrate some new feature for MacOSX only after feature freeze:

[03.03.2008 15:31] <_Nesshof_> proposal: nomination of feature cws for MacOSX only features also after common feature freeze (if word count is reasonable low)

[03.03.2008 15:32] <_Nesshof_> afaik needed for a11y on Mac

[03.03.2008 15:32] <_Nesshof_> please vote now:

[03.03.2008 15:32] <_Nesshof_> +1

[03.03.2008 15:33] <Kai_A> +1

[03.03.2008 15:33] <paveljanik> for 3.0?

[03.03.2008 15:33] <paveljanik> ;-)

[03.03.2008 15:33] <paveljanik> +1

[03.03.2008 15:34] <_Nesshof_> ok

[03.03.2008 15:34] <_rene_> -1

[03.03.2008 15:34] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: why ?

[03.03.2008 15:34] <_rene_> mac features like other features

[03.03.2008 15:34] <_rene_> why only mac and not Linux?

[03.03.2008 15:34] <_rene_> why only mac and not...

[03.03.2008 15:35] <_Nesshof_> I got only the request for this from the mac team

[03.03.2008 15:35] <paveljanik> because Mac will have its first prime time with 3.0?

[03.03.2008 15:35] <Fridrich> yeah, -1 for me

[03.03.2008 15:35] <_rene_> paveljanik: s/features/bugfixs/

[03.03.2008 15:35] <_Nesshof_> paveljanik: and yes, prime time

[03.03.2008 15:35] <_rene_> bugfixes: yes, of course. features: no.

[03.03.2008 15:35] <blauwal> +1

[03.03.2008 15:35] <_rene_> if you allow that for mac, you have to allow that for evyrone else, too

[03.03.2008 15:36] <paveljanik> bugfix: implement a11y also for Mac 8)

[03.03.2008 15:36] <mdamboldt> +1

[03.03.2008 15:36] <_rene_> that's ok :)

[03.03.2008 15:36] <paveljanik> _rene_: ;-)

[03.03.2008 15:36] <paveljanik> not completely new feature, just Mac side implementation 8)

[03.03.2008 15:36] <_rene_> paveljanik: /me was just objcting Neesshofs "it's mac feature, let's integrate it"

[03.03.2008 15:37] <rtimm> +1

[03.03.2008 15:37] <_rene_> (so his proposal sounded)

[03.03.2008 15:37] * _rene_ even woul dvote for integrating the mono stuff now, but *shrugs*

[03.03.2008 15:38] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: if we get exceptionanal request like this for other platform I fine to discuss them here

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[03.03.2008 15:38] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: no. discuss everyone of them here. also for mac.

[03.03.2008 15:39] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: I do not intend to open the door for everything

[03.03.2008 15:40] <_Nesshof_> Fridrich: what about your -1 ?

[03.03.2008 15:40] <_Nesshof_> Fridrich: still valid ?

[03.03.2008 15:40] <Fridrich> _Nesshof_: valid

[03.03.2008 15:40] <_Nesshof_> what can we do to convince you ?

[03.03.2008 15:41] <Fridrich> _Nesshof_: in a democracy, you can have some oposing votes

[03.03.2008 15:41] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: same right for every os/arch.

[03.03.2008 15:41] <Fridrich> :-)

[03.03.2008 15:41] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: Mac is nothing special imho

[03.03.2008 15:41] <paveljanik> _rene_: as I said: 3.0 will be aqua's prime time...

[03.03.2008 15:41] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: especially for new *features*

[03.03.2008 15:41] <_Nesshof_> every feature/arch has the right to ask for such execption

[03.03.2008 15:41] <paveljanik> so it really is special.

[03.03.2008 15:42] <paveljanik> in case of 3.0.

[03.03.2008 15:42] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: right. but o mac-specifics..

[03.03.2008 15:42] <Fridrich> paveljanik: is it assured that this has _no_ incidence on other platforms?

[03.03.2008 15:42] <_Nesshof_> and in this case this is not l10n / documentation relevant and so I propose to accept this execption

[03.03.2008 15:42] <paveljanik> Fridrich: I suspect that none builds aqua dir ;-)

[03.03.2008 15:42] <_Nesshof_> obr is saying it's only mac code

[03.03.2008 15:42] <_rene_> paveljanik: and why should a mac feature for 3.0 be special-cased and some Linux feature not?

[03.03.2008 15:42] <_rene_> just because it's a mac feature?

[03.03.2008 15:42] <_rene_> come on

[03.03.2008 15:42] <_rene_> then that feature goes into 3.1 or whatever

[03.03.2008 15:43] * Fridrich still votes for Obama

[03.03.2008 15:43] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: becuase nobody ask for a Linux one

[03.03.2008 15:43] <Fridrich> I mean still -1 but will accept the majority casting vote

[03.03.2008 15:44] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: you're kidding

[03.03.2008 15:44] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: they are same right for everyone

[03.03.2008 15:44] <_rene_> right

[03.03.2008 15:44] <_Nesshof_> and you're blocking for non explainable priinciples ?

[03.03.2008 15:44] <_rene_> and because other features get rejected because after frature freeze

[03.03.2008 15:44] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: please explain

[03.03.2008 15:45] <_Nesshof_> other features are also ables to seek for an exception

[03.03.2008 15:45] <_Nesshof_> but most of them are l10n dependent

[03.03.2008 15:45] <_rene_> why prrefwhy prefer one just because it's a mac-one?

[03.03.2008 15:45] <_Nesshof_> it's first time release for Mac

[03.03.2008 15:45] <_rene_> and?

[03.03.2008 15:46] <_Nesshof_> we would like to be on nearly the same level as for the other platforms

[03.03.2008 15:46] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: then we talk about other things. that's bugfixes

[03.03.2008 15:46] <_Nesshof_> and I also expect some excetion also for other features for 3.0

[03.03.2008 15:46] <_rene_> (bug: mac doesn't have foo ike OS X: fix it"

[03.03.2008 15:47] <_rene_> that's niot what I am opposing. I am opposing real mac os-onl features

[03.03.2008 15:47] <_rene_> like mac os x spellchekcker if it'd come now

[03.03.2008 15:47] <_rene_> or something like that

[03.03.2008 15:47] <_Nesshof_> ok new proposal:

[03.03.2008 15:47] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: as I aven said above, I'd agree on doing that for Linux too

[03.03.2008 15:48] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: mono, "fix CLI support for all supported OSes"

[03.03.2008 15:48] <_rene_> :P

[03.03.2008 15:48] <_Nesshof_> nomination of a11y feature cws (for MacOSX only and no l10n impact) features also after common feature freeze

[03.03.2008 15:49] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: ?

[03.03.2008 15:49] <_Nesshof_> Fridrich: _

[03.03.2008 15:49] <_Nesshof_> Fridrich: ?

[03.03.2008 15:49] <_rene_> +1 for this case.

[03.03.2008 15:49] <_Nesshof_> does this sond acceptable ?

[03.03.2008 15:50] <Fridrich> _Nesshof_: :-)

[03.03.2008 15:50] <_Nesshof_> ok, fine

[03.03.2008 15:50] <_rene_> -1 for a general "it's a mac feature - let's integrate it"

[03.03.2008 15:50] <_rene_> (which your initial proposal somehow sounded like)

[03.03.2008 15:50] <_Nesshof_> next meeting i would like to discuss proposal: modified taskhandling: IssueHandling http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IssueHandling

[03.03.2008 15:50] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: yes, my fault

[03.03.2008 15:51] <_Nesshof_> rtimm: RE duties this week ?

[03.03.2008 15:51] <rtimm> Kurt (kz) will do DEV300 m2

[03.03.2008 15:52] <_Nesshof_> anything else for today ?

[03.03.2008 15:52] <_Nesshof_> by

[03.03.2008 15:52] <rtimm> bye

[03.03.2008 15:52] <paveljanik> bye

[03.03.2008 15:53] <mdamboldt> bye

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[03.03.2008 15:53] <Kai_A> bye

[03.03.2008 15:53] <Fridrich> so, release for 13th of march?

[03.03.2008 15:53] <Fridrich> provisionally?

[03.03.2008 15:55] <bettina-h> bye

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