ReleaseStatus Minutes 2007-12-17 IRC log

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[17.12.2007 15:00] <_Nesshof_> moin
[17.12.2007 15:02] <_Nesshof_> Review of issues for OOoRelease231: is this still a valid item on our agenda ?
[17.12.2007 15:02] <_Nesshof_> msc_sun: is uweL also on vacation ?
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[17.12.2007 15:04] * _Nesshof_ will remove 2.3.1 release status then from the agenda
[17.12.2007 15:04] <msc_sun> _Nesshof_: No, he is here.
[17.12.2007 15:05] <_Nesshof_> Review of issues for OOoRelease24
[17.12.2007 15:06] <_Nesshof_> still more than 400 open issues for 2.4 target
[17.12.2007 15:06] <_Nesshof_> code freeze will be on Jan 17th
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[17.12.2007 15:06] <_Nesshof_> blauwal: do we get the translation update last week ?
[17.12.2007 15:07] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: one moment please
[17.12.2007 15:08] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: localization25? Currently integrating
[17.12.2007 15:08] <_Nesshof_> so m241 will be ready for TCM testing soon ?!
[17.12.2007 15:09] * _Nesshof_ proposes to branch off OOH680 after finishing that milestone
[17.12.2007 15:09] <_Nesshof_> 1. we need to switch to new Compiler on Windows asap for testing
[17.12.2007 15:10] <MechtiIde> so we branch before 2nd translation is ready?
[17.12.2007 15:10] <_Nesshof_> 2. xmlfilter02 will be then ready for integration
[17.12.2007 15:10] <blauwal> m241 will contain only localisation25, so: +1
[17.12.2007 15:10] <_Nesshof_> 3. native110 is waiting
[17.12.2007 15:12] <_Nesshof_> MechtiIde: 2nd translation ?
[17.12.2007 15:12] <Fridrich> let's branch after xmlfilter02 integration :-)
[17.12.2007 15:12] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: AFAIR, this was only the first round, a second round will come still
[17.12.2007 15:13] <MechtiIde> 2nd Handout of translation for 2.4
[17.12.2007 15:13] <MechtiIde> it's end on 20th of Dezember07
[17.12.2007 15:13] <_Nesshof_> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease24 seems to be wrong
[17.12.2007 15:14] <_rene_> so on Thursday
[17.12.2007 15:14] <_Nesshof_> only the translation start date was updated and not the delivery date
[17.12.2007 15:14] <_Nesshof_> so TCM testing will start next year
[17.12.2007 15:15] <MechtiIde> When we get the build we can start testing
[17.12.2007 15:16] <_Nesshof_> MechtiIde: ask blauwal when that build can be available
[17.12.2007 15:16] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: The build with localisation25? I guess Wednesday
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[17.12.2007 15:17] <_Nesshof_> blauwal: no with the next cws of localization integration
[17.12.2007 15:18] <blauwal> I do not know the time table. Ivo should know it, he'll be back in 5 min
[17.12.2007 15:18] <_Nesshof_> blauwal: see above, translation delivery is 20th
[17.12.2007 15:19] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: well, I'm available for a build between Xmas and New Year, but will there be someone to QA the CWS?
[17.12.2007 15:21] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: If not, I guess early next year.
[17.12.2007 15:21] <_rene_> is that needed at all? we didn't do *any* QA on the last merged languages anyway. (simply opening format->character or  checking the menus and its entries) ;-(
[17.12.2007 15:22] <_Nesshof_> blauwal: when will that cws ready for QA ?
[17.12.2007 15:22] * _Nesshof_ agress with _rene_ that approval is quite formal then
[17.12.2007 15:23] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: As I said, Ivo is currently not here and I can only guess. I don't know if he is able to finish the CWS on  21th
[17.12.2007 15:23] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: for the record, and if you didn't see the sarcasm. I *do* think we should do real QA on such cwses
[17.12.2007 15:23] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: real QA means at least checking the build
[17.12.2007 15:23] <_rene_> if it runs, whether the menus and important dialogues show at least "a bit" correct
[17.12.2007 15:24] <_rene_> s/if/whether/
[17.12.2007 15:24] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: I don't know the exact testplan, but I guess most of this is done by automated resouce test
[17.12.2007 15:24] <_rene_> which doesn't find grossly broken stuff
[17.12.2007 15:25] <_rene_> the ersources might work, but they still might diplay completely broken
[17.12.2007 15:25] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: OK I've enquired the time plan
[17.12.2007 15:25] <_rene_> happen in the last cwses with mr-IN and ar
[17.12.2007 15:26] <_rene_> a simple start and look at *one* menu would've been enough to catch the mr-IN one, a quick start and format->character would have catched format->character, options, etc. for ar
[17.12.2007 15:26] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: Translation will be here 20th COB, database operation will be done 21th. Vladimir guesses he can finish the  CWS between Xmas and New Year, but no guarantee
[17.12.2007 15:28] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: (only two working days=
[17.12.2007 15:28] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: I don't believe that you'll find one person who will install and test >> 60 builds
[17.12.2007 15:28] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: I would expect this as part of the TCM testing
[17.12.2007 15:29] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: I didn't talk about 60 builds
[17.12.2007 15:29] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: but ?
[17.12.2007 15:29] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: but *new* languages
[17.12.2007 15:29] <_rene_> like mr-IN was and ar was.
[17.12.2007 15:29] <_rene_> that's not *all* languages OOo builds but just those which got hughe changes.
[17.12.2007 15:29] <_rene_> like being completely new.
[17.12.2007 15:30] <blauwal> _rene_: and than what? Delay the CWS?
[17.12.2007 15:30] <_rene_> yes. as every other cws which adds something which is broken from the beginning. yes.
[17.12.2007 15:30] <_Nesshof_> since erros in those languages are no regressions, I would accept it
[17.12.2007 15:31] <blauwal> _rene_: this means delaying all languages.
[17.12.2007 15:31] <_rene_> yes. and?
[17.12.2007 15:31] <_rene_> you have the same problem with "normal" cwses, too
[17.12.2007 15:32] <blauwal> _rene_: localisation CWSs aren't really like normal CWSs. But this is not my discussion, I leave this to the localizaion experts
[17.12.2007 15:33] <_Nesshof_> yes, I will clarify this with rafaella
[17.12.2007 15:37] <_Nesshof_> ok, anything else for today ?
[17.12.2007 15:37] <paveljanik> nothing
[17.12.2007 15:37] * paveljanik was silent today 8)
[17.12.2007 15:37] * Fridrich was surprised :-)
[17.12.2007 15:37] <_Nesshof_> ok, fine, by
[17.12.2007 15:37] <UweL> no
[17.12.2007 15:38] <paveljanik> bye
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[17.12.2007 15:38] <_Nesshof_> Fridrich: ?
[17.12.2007 15:39] <_Nesshof_> suprised by what ?
[17.12.2007 15:39] <_rene_> 15:37  * paveljanik was silent today 8)
[17.12.2007 15:39] <Fridrich> _Nesshof_: one line before my statement :-)
[17.12.2007 15:39] <_rene_> I think :)
[17.12.2007 15:40] <_Nesshof_> Fridrich: ok, me too