Log Mac Meeting 14th April 2007
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[15:00] ericb2 I propose to wait a bit before to start
[15:00] ericb2 the meeting
[15:01] shaunmcdonald ericb2: ah, ok
[15:01] shaunmcdonald ericb2: how long?
[15:01] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: 5-10 min ?
[15:01] shaunmcdonald ericb2: ok
[15:08] ericb2 Let's start ?
[15:08] shaunmcdonald ericb2: is anyone else here, other than just us?
[15:08] shaunmcdonald 1. Welcome new devs (if any)
[15:08] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: looks like saturday is not the best day
[15:09] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: ismael_ is present
[15:09] ericb2 mikesic: too
[15:09] shaunmcdonald IZBot: ping
[15:09] IZBot pong
[15:09] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: lol
[15:09] shaunmcdonald ericb2: :D
[15:09] mikesic hi
[15:09] shaunmcdonald oobuildbot: ping
[15:09] shaunmcdonald hello mikesic
[15:09] ismael_ hi
[15:10] shaunmcdonald ericb2: maybe we need mid afternoon during the week ;-)
[15:10] shaunmcdonald hello ismael_
[15:10] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: IMHO, if people are willing to attend, the are present ;)
[15:10] shaunmcdonald we have 4 people here just now: shaunmcdonald ericb2 ismael_ and mikesic
[15:10] shaunmcdonald maybe others will join us later
[15:11] shaunmcdonald lets start
[15:11] shaunmcdonald 1. Welcome new devs (if any)
[15:11] * shaunmcdonald doesn't see any new developers
[15:11] shaunmcdonald 2. Latest Aqua news
[15:11] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: younker was here ~20 minutes
[15:11] ericb2 Last changes are :
[15:11] ericb2 Pavel resynch'ed aquavcl01 with m208
[15:12] ericb2 The wiki page has been updated : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AquaBuild
[15:12] ericb2 Native menus are now default
[15:13] ericb2 Pavel fixed a serious breaker for m208
[15:13] ericb2 we do not build psprint, and some parts for fonts are needed. the current fix is a hack
[15:14] ericb2 We need volunteers for a correct solution
[15:17] shaunmcdonald seems no one here is volunteering to help
[15:17] ericb2 I propose to ask on mac@porting
[15:18] shaunmcdonald ericb2: good idea, there is a wider audience there
[15:18] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: at least we send 148 mails :)
[15:18] mikesic ericb2: Maybe you could explain a little why this is important - if we don't use psprint?
[15:19] ericb2 mikesic: I'll try
[15:19] mikesic ericb2: at least in the mail ...
[15:19] mikesic ericb2: not in the meeting
[15:19] ericb2 mikesic: in psprint are a lot of helpers to use cups
[15:19] ericb2 mikesic: ok
[15:19] ericb2 mikesic: and fonts
[15:19] ericb2 mikesic: just in some words :
[15:20] ericb2 if we use native printing, we don't need all those helpers anymore
[15:20] mikesic ericb2: thanks
[15:20] ericb2 mikesic: Oliver Braun know more than me about that
[15:24] ericb2 no other changes ?
[15:25] ismael_ i started implementation of mouse cursors (the SetPointer function). I implemented 18 out of 94 mouse pointers, but they are the most used. If you want to test, i made a patch http://lebasket.free.fr/OOo/14_04_07/patchMousePointer14_04_07.diff
[15:25] shaunmcdonald ericb2: what is the status of the build product changes
[15:25] shaunmcdonald ?
[15:25] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: build product ?
[15:25] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: e.g. 2.3 ?
[15:25] shaunmcdonald ericb2: so that the app will run out the box
[15:26] shaunmcdonald issue 73693
[15:26] IZBot porting DEFECT STARTED aquavcl01->modify Bundle tree for native version http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=73693
[15:26] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: I just proposed a patch, after Mox fixed an issue with versioning
[15:27] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: IMHO, Oliver changes are not the correct one : we *must* modify the tree
[15:27] mikesic ericb2: I tested Mox patch, and still the debug issue :(
[15:27] mikesic ericb2: -1 for me
[15:27] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: not gdb nor XCode work, and this is is because no change in the tree loooks like a hacked Mac Application
[15:28] shaunmcdonald so we need to modify the tree for debugging
[15:28] ericb2 mikesic: I agree. The only correct fix is Pavel modification
[15:28] mikesic ericb2: +1
[15:28] mikesic ericb2: Any proper fix will work out of the box with Finder and gdb
[15:29] ericb2 mikesic: I'll have a look and if I can, I'll try to modify the bundle like Pavel does with his patch
[15:29] ericb2 mikesic: this is IMHO the correct way
[15:29] mikesic ericb2: I have been testing - the three key points are
[15:30] mikesic ericb2: 1. move executable files to MacOS dir (for Finder)
[15:30] mikesic mystic_ca
[15:30] mikesic ericb2: 2. Move " mv THIRDPARTYLICENSEREADME.html help presets share .." for OOo
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[15:31] mikesic ericb2: ln program "ln -sf MacOS program"
[15:31] ericb2 mikesic: another issue is the dot in the name
[15:31] mikesic ericb2: for me - it works in Finder and gdb then (with other changes already in the patch)
[15:32] ericb2 mikesic: ok
[15:32] mikesic ericb2: the dot is an issue for xcode - true
[15:32] mikesic ericb2: I agree - it is better to work with xcode out of the box
[15:33] mikesic ericb2: so four changes
[15:34] ericb2 mikesic: the problem is : the name in the Info.plist will provide the Application name
[15:34] shaunmcdonald please remember that THIRDPARTYLICENSEREADME.html should after the integration of pj76 be in the license folder in the root of the disk image
[15:35] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: can we consider this issue as fixed ?
[15:35] shaunmcdonald nominated
[15:36] shaunmcdonald It was nominated on the 10th
[15:36] ericb2 mikesic: .. and this is mandatory to use OpenOffice.org as aplication name
[15:36] shaunmcdonald http://eis.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/cws.ShowCWS?Path=SRC680%2Fpj76
[15:37] mikesic ericb2: and the latest existing patch by you does that - no?
[15:38] ericb2 mikesic: if you have it on your disk, just don't delete it : I have removed it from my server
[15:38] ericb2 mikesic: the aquabudle5.diff I provided you yesterday uses OpenOffice instead of OpenOffice.org
[15:39] mikesic ericb2: No - I have Mox patch - but the to Max patch is just CFBundleName - I think.
[15:39] mikesic ericb2: the change to Mox patch - that is
[15:41] ericb2 mikesic: does this patch verify everything you need : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/i73693/aquabundle6.diff
[15:41] ericb2 ?
[15:42] ericb2 mikesic: Mox's changes and corect name for gdb /XCode , but IMHO, it won't work
[15:47] shaunmcdonald +BUNDLEEXECUTABLE=program/OpenOffice looks rather strange
[15:47] shaunmcdonald shouldn't it be +BUNDLEEXECUTABLE=program/soffice or +BUNDLEEXECUTABLE=program/soffice.bin ?
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[15:48] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: no, there is a symlink between OpenOffice and soffice.bin
[15:48] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: in the same patch
[15:48] shaunmcdonald ericb2: ah ok
[15:48] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: just the two names must match
[15:49] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: the problem is caused by the tree
[15:49] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: and I don't see another solution than the one we use in Pavel's script
[15:50] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: a bad tree means the Finder don't see anything, and XCode /gdb either
[15:50] shaunmcdonald what about ln -s program/soffice.bin droplet?
[15:50] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: droplet will become the application name
[15:51] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: just try
[15:51] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: the most simple should be : OpenOffice.org 2.3.app, and we launch OpenOffice.org
[15:52] * shaunmcdonald looks at the Adium bundle
[15:52] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: the version does appear with the splashscreen
[15:52] shaunmcdonald it has 1 entry binary in MacOS
[15:52] shaunmcdonald and other binaries and resources in the Resources folder
[15:53] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: this is another tree :)
15:54] shaunmcdonald ericb2: so there are many posibilities
[15:55] ericb2 shaunmcdonald: indeed. We have to verify: OpenOffice.org does appear in the folder, and XCode and gdb work
[15:56] ericb2 Next point ?
[15:56] shaunmcdonald I have had problems before if I have changed an application, the Finder wouldn't update its library of Applications a restart was generally required to update its self
[15:56] shaunmcdonald I think the problem is with Launch Services
[15:57] mikesic_ shaunmcdonald: Yes, there is a cache of some info in Info.plist
[15:57] shaunmcdonald If you are producing a whole new app or moving it to some other location each time, this is unlikely to be an issue
[15:57] shaunmcdonald mikesic_: I just want to check that this isn't the problem
[15:57] mikesic_ shaunmcdonald: You can move the app to a different folder after the change to get a new cache entry.
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[15:58] shaunmcdonald mikesic_: +1
[15:58] mikesic_ shaunmcdonald: It was confusing me yesterday - I was changing Info.plist but no change was effective.
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[15:58] shaunmcdonald mikesic_: yeah I've been caught out with it before
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[15:59] mikesic_ shaunmcdonald: next point?
[16:00] shaunmcdonald 3. Top 10 Status
[16:00] shaunmcdonald partly discussed already re the bundle
[16:00] <ismael_> mikesic_: i had a look at the tooltip bug
[16:01] <mikesic_> ismael_: :)
[16:01] <ismael_> mikesic_: the problem is that it needs timers to be implemented and i don't know if they are implemented
[16:02] <ericb2> ismael_: new timers ?
[16:02] <mikesic_> ismael_: please describe the problem you see on the screen ...
[16:02] <ismael_> mikesic_: i agree with Pavel, i don't think we should remove some eventhandlers
[16:02] <ismael_> mikesic_: i agree with Pavel, i don't think we should remove some eventhandlers
[16:02] <ismael_> ericb2: saltimers, i don't know if they are implemented and working
[16:03] <ismael_> mikesic_: the fact is tooltips don't disappears, and i think it's because of timers
[16:04] <mikesic_> ismael_: Did you already use Pavel patch to saltimer?
[16:04] <ismael_> mikesic_: no i use files from cws
[16:05] <ismael_> mikesic_: another thing before i forget: there's a little mistake in your patch at these lines: if( !(nSalFrameStyle & SAL_FRAME_STYLE_MOVEABLE) ) // window without decoration
[16:05] <ismael_> //nWindowAttributes |= kWindowNoTitleBarAttribute; // requires Mac OS X 10.4, may be choose another windows class like toolbar window
[16:05] <ismael_> + if ( windowClass != kHelpWindowClass )
[16:05] <ismael_> windowClass = kToolbarWindowClass;
[16:05] <ismael_> else
[16:06] <mikesic_> ismael_: The disappearing does happen for others - including me. So maybe there is something else. PPC or Intel
[16:06] <mikesic_> ismael_: You are not using the latest then.
[16:06] <mikesic_> ismael_: http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/44298/salframe_tooltipa070409.cxx.diff
[16:07] <ismael_> mikesic_: the close button doesn't appear on window, because the else is considered to be with if ( windowClass != kHelpWindowClass )
[16:07] <ismael_> mikesic_: i'm on intel
[16:08] <mikesic_> ismael_: You are correct about the close box problem with the first patch - it is documented in the issue 74392
[16:08] <IZBot> porting DEFECT NEW aquavcl01: tooltip crash http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=74392
[16:08] <mikesic_> ismael_: and the latest only removes one event - HandleWindowBoundsChangedEvent
[16:08] <ismael_> mikesic_: your new patch seems to be good
[16:09] <ismael_> mikesic_: but i disagree with if( windowClass != kHelpWindowClass )
[16:09] <ismael_> + {
[16:09] <ismael_> InstallAndRegisterEventHandler
[16:09] <mikesic_> ismael_: Its not good form - because I wanted to make it easy to remove other events if others found more that caused crashes
[16:10] <mikesic_> ismael_: please tell me your idea
[16:10] <ismael_> mikesic_: i think we have to manage with the event, and not remove them just because they make tooltip crashing. We have to correct the problem in the event handlers
[16:11] <ismael_> mikesic_: but it could be a good temporary solution
[16:11] <ismael_> mikesic_: could you explain me that: //tooltips need the parent menu, else no menu shows
[16:12] <mikesic_> ismael_: As soon as the tooltip appears, the File menu and others to the right disappear without this change.
[16:13] <ismael_> mikesic_: ok, i understand. that's a great fix.
[16:14] <ismael_> mikesic_: does it fix also menu disappearing for dialogs?
[16:14] <mikesic_> ismael_: I didn't check.
[16:17] ismael_ IZBot
[16:18] <ericb2> ismael_: mikesic_ : is it possible to write all informations we have on the wiki, no matter where, but to use it as a draft, and progress with Tooltips issue ?
[16:18] <ericb2> + the wiki allows an asynchronous access
[16:18] <ismael_> ericb2: i think we should write doc conerning tooltips and window and dialogs on the same page
[16:19] <ismael_> ericb2: +1
[16:19] <mikesic_> ericb2: please put a link to the page you want to use
[16:19] <ericb2> ismael_: yes, good idea
[16:19] <ericb2> ismael_: ok, I'll create one
[16:19] <ismael_> ericb2: because they are very similar
[16:20] <ismael_> mikesic_: your patch (//tooltips need the parent menu, else no menu shows) work with all dialogs, now the menu is also visible
[16:20] <ericb2> ismael_: don't forget, to add the more relevant informations on issue 74392
[16:20] <ismael_> s/also/always
[16:20] <IZBot> porting DEFECT NEW aquavcl01: tooltip crash http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=74392
[16:20] <ericb2> ismael_: does something exist about windows parenting ?
[16:20] <mikesic_> ismael_: great :)
[16:21] <ismael_> mikesic_:
[16:21] <ismael_> ericb2: ?
[16:21] <ericb2> ismael_: if I remember correctly, nothing is implemented yet
[16:22] <ericb2> ismael_: is this place ok ? http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AquaToDo#Tooltips_Issues
[16:22] <ismael_> ericb2: in fact parenting, IMHO, doesn't need to be implemented. It is almost used everywhere in salframe.cxx
[16:23] <mikesic_> ismael_: +1 -
[16:23] <ericb2> ismael_: there is a problem when we open a menu , with e.g. a list , and move the main window
[16:23] <ericb2> ismael_: the list does not close ( move is wrong )
[16:24] <mikesic_> ericb2: is there an issue already?
[16:24] <ismael_> ericb2: i thought to have a special page for salframe (windows, dialogs and tooltips) because it a very big subject
[16:24] <ismael_> ericb2: you're right
[16:24] <ericb2> mikesic_: no. AFAI remember, Stephan Schaefer explained me it was maybe a missing callback with the window manager
[16:25] <ismael_> ericb2: because the new frame is created, and then we don't manage the movements of the parent
[16:25] <ericb2> ismael_: a wiki page about salframe already exists : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Porting_salframe
[16:26] <ericb2> ismael_: exactly
[16:26] <ismael_> ericb2: maybe a callback could be useful to move the child window when the parnt is moving
[16:26] <ismael_> s/parnt/parent
[16:26] <ericb2> ismael_: another one :
[16:27] <ericb2> ismael_: click on the window header ( the top bar of the window) -> nothing happens , when e.g. menus are open
[16:27] <ismael_> ericb2, mikesic_: ok, i propose to use this one http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Porting_salframe for doc about tooltips (and window/dialogs)
[16:27] <ericb2> ismael_: +1 for me too
[16:27] <mikesic_> ismael_: +1
[16:28] <ismael_> ericb2: mikesic_ : i think we should explain the main principes of how work windows and tooltips, and not describe each function
[16:29] <ismael_> mikesic_: ericb2 : explain also how we solved the problems we encounter
[16:29] <mikesic_> ismael_: If you start with what you know, I will follow your format ;)
[16:29] <ericb2> ismael_: sure. Damien started from scratch, and this is more difficult
[16:29] * ericb2 too
[16:30] <ericb2> ismael_: mikesic_ we should progress fastly if we concentrate on that
[16:30] <ismael_> ericb2: yes, he hadn't a global vision of salframe as he just started contributing
[16:31] <ericb2> can we continue with next point ?
[16:31] <mikesic_> ericb2: yes
[16:31] <ismael_> ericb2: ye
[16:31] <ismael_> yes
[16:32] <ericb2> . Patches to be integrated
[16:32] <shaunmcdonald> 4. Patches to be integrated (Please add here)
[16:32] <shaunmcdonald> there are no patches noted
[16:32] <ericb2> I propose to wait for mikesic_ and the bundle patch
[16:33] <shaunmcdonald> does anyone have a patch that needs to be discussed before committing?
[16:33] <ericb2> no, and plipli's work is not finished ( HIView )
[16:33] <ericb2> maybe mikesic_ patch or the sallayout ?
[16:34] <ericb2> s/or/for/
[16:38] <mikesic_> ericb2: that one should be ok ;)
[16:39] <ericb2> mikesic_: do you have the URL please ?
[16:39] <ericb2> mikesic_: do you have the URL please ?
[16:40] * mikesic_ looking
[16:41] <mikesic_> issue 75889
[16:41] <IZBot> porting DEFECT NEW aquavcl01: Extended tooltips text truncated http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=75889
[16:43] <ericb2> mikesic_: thanks.
[16:43] <ericb2> I'll test it with m208
[16:43] <ericb2> Other patches in mind ?
[16:44] <mikesic_> ericb2: no
[16:44] <ericb2> Next point ?
[16:45] <ericb2> 5. Google Sommer of Code 2007
[16:46] <ericb2> As I already explained on mac@porting list, two tasks have been selected by Google for SoC2007
[16:47] <ericb2> ismael_ is one accepted candidate, and Omer, looks not present
[16:47] <ericb2> so, I propose to postpone this part to next meeting ?
[16:48] <mikesic_> ericb2: OK
[16:48] <ismael_> ericb2: no problem
[16:48] <ericb2> ismael_: more people will be present on friday IMHO
[16:49] <shaunmcdonald> ok
[16:49] <mikesic_> ericb2: Friday next week ok
[16:49] <ericb2> Next point ?
[16:50] <ericb2> WWDC 2007
[16:50] <shaunmcdonald> :-)
[16:50] * ericb2 searchs the links
[16:51] <ericb2> Current status is : http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=1175
[16:51] <ericb2> The URL is a link to the CC prposal, and looks like it has been accepted to help us
[16:52] <ericb2> 2000 euros. In counterpart, we have to write a report
[16:52] <ericb2> Other resources : donations with Cusoon
[16:52] <mikesic_> ericb2: I would propose a wiki page to document specific issues to take up with Apple engineers
[16:52] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: write something on your blog every day about what has happened then it will be easier to make a summary report at the end
[16:53] <ericb2> currently, Sophjie confirmed we received 1000 eurso
[16:53] <ericb2> euros
[16:53] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: mikesic_ yes, the blog is what I had in mind : blog entries +photos
[16:53] <shaunmcdonald> mikesic_: good idea, that way we will have a focus on what to ask
[16:53] <ericb2> mikesic_: +1
[16:54] <ericb2> mikesic_: I'll ask on mac@porting
[16:54] <mikesic_> ericb2: when you meet with engineers you can show a list of questions - some will know the answer right away.
[16:55] <ericb2> mikesic_: indeed. Very good idea !
[16:55] <ericb2> mikesic_: sometimes, things need to be discussed
[16:55] <ericb2> mikesic_: and discussion + code with a laptop, helps more than mails and mailing lists
[16:56] <mikesic_> ericb2: and the wiki helps to keep the knowledge alive better than the mail list.
[16:56] <ericb2> mikesic_: sure
[16:58] <ericb2> Currently, Shaun and me have searched places for travel + hotel, and prices are IMHO correct
[16:58] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: what do you mean about the prices being correct?
[16:59] <shaunmcdonald> ericb2: in line with the current donations?
[16:59] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: not too expensive. My first thought was 2000 euros per attendee ( last year is was the case )
[16:59] <ericb2> shaunmcdonald: you are around 1400 euros and I'm around 1700 to 1800
[17:00] <ericb2> Last but not least, we should receive a completmentary help. To be confirmed
[17:00] <mikesic_> ericb2: Will plipli attend?
[17:00] <ericb2> mikesic_: I'd like, and I'll try to have enough money for Shaun, Sebastien and me
[17:01] <mikesic_> ericb2: You mean complementary admission to WWDC?
[17:01] <ericb2> mikesic_: yes, and money too
[17:01] <mikesic_> ericb2: great :)
[17:01] <ericb2> mikesic_: not sure, but I'll try
[17:02] <ericb2> mikesic_: this is very time consuming to find resources
[17:03] <mikesic_> ericb2: true - but one full week of work by three people is worth a lot :)
[17:03] <ericb2> mikesic_: and needs a serious preparation
[17:04] <ericb2> Other questions ?
[17:06] <mikesic_> later - thanks :)
[17:06] <ericb2> Next meeting : Friday 20th April / 20:00 UTC ; 22:00 CEST ( Paris Hamburg ) ?
[17:06] mikesic_ mystic_ca
[17:06] <ericb2> mikesic_: later
[17:06] * shaunmcdonald has changed the topic to: OpenOffice.org Mac porting team channel. Next IRC Meeting is scheduled Friday 20th April 2007 (20:00 UTC). See http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXPortMeetings for the agenda. All previous Mac port meetings logs are available at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Previous_Mac_Meeting_logs | http://www.openoffice.org/issues/buglist.cgi?keywords=aqua
[17:07] <ericb2> The log of the meeting is available : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Log_Mac_Meeting_14th_April_2007
