Log Mac Meeting 1 June 2007
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[21:01] shaunmcdonald: Time to start the meeting?
[21:01] shaunmcdonald: 1. Welcome new devs joining Mac OS X port
[21:01] shaunmcdonald: Are there any new devs today?
[21:02] Fridrich left the chat room.
[21:03] shaunmcdonald: FYI ericb2 is away tonight at a conference so is unable to attend
[21:03] CerebrosuS: ok
[21:05] CerebrosuS: no one else here for the meeting than you and me?
[21:05] cloph: • cloph waves to the crowd...
[21:06] ismael_: CerebrosuS: i'm here too
[21:06] cremlae: • cremlae waves as well
[21:06] shaunmcdonald: I presume that there are no new developers who want to introduce themselves
[21:06] CerebrosuS: all right
[21:06] shaunmcdonald: • shaunmcdonald thinks we should all wave at the start of every meeting from now on
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[21:06] shaunmcdonald: 2. Last Aqua news / Work in progress
[21:07] shaunmcdonald: The aqua build is now on BitTorrent ready for distribution
[21:07] cloph: hdu identified the cause for issue 72248
[21:07] IZBot: porting DEFECT STARTED vcl compiled with debug crashes http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=72248
[21:07] damiend: ih everybody
[21:07] ismael_: hi damiend
[21:07] CerebrosuS: hi damiend
[21:08] cloph: (URL for the Bittorrent downloads: http://ooodev.org:6969/index.html?search=aquavcl01 )
[21:08] shaunmcdonald: http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/download/aqua.html still needs the mirror network links updated, once it has been distributed to the mirror network
[21:08] cremlae: damiend: hi!
[21:08] shaunmcdonald: the bittorrent links should be working on those pages
[21:09] • shaunmcdonald sees 2 links aren't right
[21:09] boulifb: cloph: ok. So here is my question:
[21:10] boulifb: I wish to install GNOME ou KDE desktops under X11. How can I do that?
[21:10] cloph: Eric worked out a patch to read the highlight colors (and potentially more stuff) from Mac's preferences (from file directly currently, but probably some Mac-service in the future)
[21:10] cloph: boulifb: You want gnome on the Mac?
[21:11] cloph: Are you sure you're not only talking about GTK (GNOME) or QT (KDE) here?
[21:11] boulifb: GNOME and/or KDE on MAc OS X under X11
[21:11] boulifb: I wish to get the desktops under X11
[21:11] cloph: boulifb: I'd use fink - that offers package management and provides the necessary packages.
[21:12] cloph: I didn't run a full desktop though, but at least you will be able to run all GNOME/KDE apps..
[21:12] boulifb: I was expecting this answer. Fink is installed already, but I know nothing about unix world
[21:12] shaunmcdonald: boulifb: fink commander?
[21:13] cloph: boulifb: Fink comes with an app called "Fink Commander" (a GUI frontend) where you can easily select the packages that should be installed.
[21:13] boulifb: yes, I have currently fink commender
[21:14] boulifb: which packages must I install?
[21:16] cloph: try gnome-panel - it should depend on quite a number of other packages and should offer you a basic gnome
[21:16] cremlae: boulifb, all: perhaps this conversation should wait until after the meeting, since I assume it will be in the log?
[21:16] shaunmcdonald: cremlae: +1
[21:16] boulifb: ah, yes, it's meeting time
[21:16] boulifb: sorry
[21:17] boulifb: let's do the meeting
[21:17] shaunmcdonald: back to aqua ooo
[21:17] shaunmcdonald: it's great to see that we have progress on the vcl debug crash problem
[21:18] shaunmcdonald: the public release of the ooo aqua dev snapshots is imminent
[21:19] shaunmcdonald: we are currently waiting on the distribution of the builds to the mirror network to be setup
[21:19] boulifb: cool!
[21:20] shaunmcdonald: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=releases&msgNo=10794
[21:20] CerebrosuS: • CerebrosuS is still working on is.sue 77556, it woll take a bit more of time, because i'm not that involved in the mac source. but i made big steps in solving the issue
[21:20] shaunmcdonald: as demand is so high, we simply cannot have them on a single server
[21:21] shaunmcdonald: issue 77556
[21:21] IZBot: porting DEFECT STARTED Tools-Customize-Keyboard - keys not shown http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77556
[21:22] shaunmcdonald: CerebrosuS: great a longer time to complete shouldn't be much of a problem
[21:22] CerebrosuS: thx
[21:26] shaunmcdonald: how are we going to deal with sites like version tracker with the aqua dev releases?
[21:27] shaunmcdonald: should we ask them to have aqua as a separate app, or to not mention it at all until it is properly beta?
[21:28] cloph: I'd say using the aqua keyword as for the current issues will do for now..
[21:29] CerebrosuS: i think they should have it as an seperate app
[21:29] CerebrosuS: but it has to mark very clearly as dev and not stable
[21:29] shaunmcdonald: CerebrosuS: that was what I was thinking
[21:30] shaunmcdonald: we should also get them to explicitly mark the other one as X11
[21:30] CerebrosuS: it could be healpful getting an feetback from other users
[21:30] CerebrosuS: right
[21:31] shaunmcdonald: CerebrosuS: that's why we are going public with the builds
[21:31] shaunmcdonald: CerebrosuS: every few months we will provide more builds
[21:31] CerebrosuS: perhaps when many people test this dev and find issues, the crowd won't tell the issues to the openoffice.org
[21:31] CerebrosuS: to circular
[21:32] CerebrosuS: so perhaps an seperate channel or anything for the testing crowd? that would seperate the dev process more cleary from the test
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[21:33] shaunmcdonald: CerebrosuS: I have an RSS feed for articles that appear in the google blog search that meet "openoffice mac" (without quotes), so will pass on any remarks that I get
[21:34] CerebrosuS: oh ok
[21:34] shaunmcdonald: anyone who posts something in their blog or on some forums will notify me through this rss feed
[21:35] CerebrosuS: so, i'm sorry i have to learn for my study, ....
[21:35] CerebrosuS: so i will read the log and keep working on the issue i have
[21:35] shaunmcdonald: CerebrosuS: ok
[21:35] CerebrosuS: by at all, ...
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[21:37] shaunmcdonald: Hopefully by the middle of next week we will have the release
[21:37] shaunmcdonald: is there anything else that has happened with aqua this week?
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[21:39] mav_eric: shaunmcdonald: nothing I'm aware of
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[21:40] shaunmcdonald: mav_eric: lets move on then
[21:40] shaunmcdonald: 3. Start aquavcl01 cws integration (part2)
[21:40] • shaunmcdonald thinks this might be an ericb2 item
[21:41] mav_eric: but he is not present
[21:42] shaunmcdonald: I believe that we are looking at integrating aquavcl01, and starting aquavcl02 for all future work on aqua
[21:42] skyza: big ups public snapshots!
[21:43] shaunmcdonald: skyza: bittorrent is already in place
[21:43] shaunmcdonald: the mirror network isn't yet in place though
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[21:44] skyza: if to not throw meeting off track I could comment on a couple broken links
[21:44] skyza: when you follow the change port link, you cant get back to that page
[21:44] shaunmcdonald: we have space on good-day, but it doesn't have the bandwidth to cope with our projected demand
[21:44] skyza: also might want to put something about being able to run both versions concurrently or what
[21:47] shaunmcdonald: skyza: that can go in the right hand panel and into the to-be re-written faq http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/faq/aqua-prerelease/index.html
[21:47] shaunmcdonald: skyza: anyone want to help re-write the faq?
[21:47] skyza is now known as sky.
[21:48] sky: I could help edit
[21:48] mav_eric: shaunmcdonald: from monday on I may have some time for doing this
[21:49] shaunmcdonald: mav_eric: great
[21:49] mav_eric: yes. But I cannot promise it
[21:50] mav_eric: I'll know more on late Sunday
[21:50] shaunmcdonald: sky: even some ideas are fine
[21:50] mav_eric: we won't have meetings on Tuesday so leaves only wednesday when I will have no time
[21:50] sky: ok
[21:51] shaunmcdonald: should we setup a wiki page for this in the mean time for readying the faq prior to release?
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[21:51] sky: 'The OpenOffice.org Mac porting team has decided to release development snapshots of the current Aqua project.'
[21:51] shaunmcdonald: sky: that title is too long
[21:51] mav_eric: shaunmcdonald: yes.
[21:52] mav_eric: shaunmcdonald: we can edit the draft more easy in the wiki
[21:52] sky: 'You may install the development snapshot, OpenOffice.org 2.3 along side your release installation'
[21:52] mav_eric: and the wiki is more open and public - so more people can help more easy
[21:53] mav_eric: Development Snapshot Release of OOo native for Mac OS X
[21:53] sky: 'By releasing the Aqua snapshots, we hope to engage a larger audience for participation with the project'
[21:53] mav_eric: shorter but not that good yet
[21:54] sky: OpenOffice.org Mac OS X Aqua Development Snapshot
[21:55] shaunmcdonald: sky: almost there
[21:55] shaunmcdonald: OpenOffice.org Mac OS X Aqua Development Snapshots now available
[21:55] shaunmcdonald: not quite but close
[21:55] sky: OpenOffice.org for Mac OS X Aqua Developer Preview available
[21:56] mav_eric: OpenOffice.org Aqua Preview available
[21:56] shaunmcdonald: mav_eric: nice, short and makes a great headline
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[21:57] mav_eric: shaunmcdonald: thank you
[21:59] sky: wow. the build looks great
[21:59] sky: nice UI guideline following
[21:59] mav_eric: shaunmcdonald: maybe we can replace Preview with Snapshot but these are details
[21:59] mav_eric: sky: that is only the beginning of it all
[22:00] mav_eric: sky: one day we will hobefully follow Apple Human Interface Guidelines
[22:00] sky: nah... far from the beginning
[22:00] sky: I woul dknow cause ive been here a while
[22:02] sky: was looking a bit gloomy for a while, glad to see aqua alive
[22:02] mav_eric: sky:
[22:03] shaunmcdonald: wiki page created http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AquaRelease
[22:04] sky: shaunmcdonald: the links http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/download/aqua-Intel.html are whacked out
[22:05] sky: the direct links are to the 2.2 release, but the torrent links are to the aqua build
[22:05] sky: so you might want to designate that somehow
[22:05] sky: also changing the startup picture for the snapshot would be a good idea
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[22:06] shaunmcdonald: sky: the problem is that I don't have the links for the mirror network yet
[22:06] shaunmcdonald: sky: thus I haven't updated those links
[22:06] sky: sure... but the link titles should still be an accurate reflection
[22:06] sky: I see your point tho
[22:07] shaunmcdonald: sky: I'm thinking of uploading the builds to good-day as a temporay measure and using the direct links to there
[22:07] sky: good idea
[22:07] sky: cause it totally confused me for a while, and im here!
[22:08] shaunmcdonald: the aqua download page is currently not linked, which is another reason why I get away with it
[22:09] sky: links spread fast these days
[22:11] shaunmcdonald: good point
[22:15] shaunmcdonald: ok, I cannot upload to goodday, though I do have ssh access
[22:16] shaunmcdonald: lets move on to the next point
[22:16] shaunmcdonald: 4. WWDC 2007 (weekly news)
[22:16] mav_eric: sky: changing the startup picture is easy
[22:16] mav_eric: sky: the thing is, we don't have a matching one
[22:17] shaunmcdonald: another problem with the startup picture is that ericb2 is unlikely to provide new builds soon
[22:17] shaunmcdonald: The WWDC will be in just over a weeks time
[22:17] shaunmcdonald: if you have any questions you would like asked while devs are there they should be added to the wiki
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[22:22] shaunmcdonald: • shaunmcdonald thinks no one is interested in commenting or speculating on the WWDC
[22:23] shaunmcdonald: 5. OOoCon 2007 : Mac OS x port proposal
[22:23] shaunmcdonald: There have been a few proposals submitted to the ooocon2007
[22:23] shaunmcdonald: ericb2 submitted something
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[22:25] shaunmcdonald: I submitted http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Smsm1/ooocon2007-2 and http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Smsm1/ooocon2007
[22:26] shaunmcdonald: has anyone else here submitted anything?
[22:26] ismael_: shaunmcdonald: seems great! I hope i will be able to attend them
[22:26] shaunmcdonald: ismael_: that depends on whether they are chosen
[22:27] ismael_: shaunmcdonald: i haven't submitted subject for confs as i'm not sure i will be able to attend due to school
[22:27] ismael_: shaunmcdonald: i hope they will be chosen
[22:27] shaunmcdonald: from what I hear there is enough for an extra day of conference
[22:28] shaunmcdonald: the conference is a bit later this year
[22:28] shaunmcdonald: though it doesn't affect me at the moment
[22:31] shaunmcdonald: in some ways though it is quite good for me
[22:31] shaunmcdonald: last point
[22:31] shaunmcdonald: 6. Misc
[22:33] sky: you could put a stamp of sorts on the startup picture
[22:33] sky: and it can probably be changed without rebuilding the proj
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[22:35] ismael_: bye
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[22:35] shaunmcdonald: sky: packaging still needs to be redone and the bittorrent files need to be updated
[22:36] sky: also, with regard to the packaging
[22:36] sky: the application icon is not aligned in the window
[22:36] shaunmcdonald: sky: known issue
[22:37] sky: k
[22:37] shaunmcdonald: sky: I need to sort it once i've finished my dissertation
[22:37] shaunmcdonald: sky: it will only be fixed after a resync
[22:37] shaunmcdonald: as it affects aqua too
[22:38] sky: i just put online a retrospective of my university research http://www.cybozone.com/vcu/
[22:38] shaunmcdonald: no X11 too
[22:40] sky: shaun you could style the aqua port page a bit so the warning is in red too
[22:40] sky: or bold or something
[22:43] mav_eric: sky: you have good ideas
[22:43] mav_eric: sky: but we cannot adress them all right now
[22:43] mav_eric: we don't have the manpower
[22:44] mav_eric: there are currently enough devs - that doesn't mean that we need more - but not enough work guys
[22:44] sky: I know the feeling
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[22:54] cloph: I guess that's it for the meeting,is it?
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[22:55] shaunmcdonald: cloph: yes, next week same time?
[22:56] shaunmcdonald: 8th June 2007 ?
[22:56] cremlae: shaunmcdonald: +1
[22:56] cloph: OK (though I'd prefer one hour earlier...)
[22:57] mav_eric: +1
[22:57] mav_eric: good night
[22:57] cremlae: cloph: It's actually all the same for me. So, I'm happy with that.
[22:57] cremlae: mav_eric: Good night!
[22:57] mav_eric: cloph is right. One hour earlier would be fine
[22:57] mav_eric: but I can live with 22h too