Log Mac Meeting March 19th 2008

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[2008-03-19 14:00:39] <PhilippL> 1. Welcome new devs joining Mac OS X port 
[2008-03-19 14:00:44] <PhilippL> anybody new ?
[2008-03-19 14:00:52] |<-- jub has left freenode (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[2008-03-19 14:01:28] <PhilippL> 2. Current state of the open CWS's
[2008-03-19 14:01:40] <PhilippL> aquavcl06 is ongoing
[2008-03-19 14:01:48] <fne> aqua11y01 is in the QA now...
[2008-03-19 14:01:50] <PhilippL> I hope we get it into beta yet.
[2008-03-19 14:02:05] <fne> currently I am working on some small issues that were reported by Apple
[2008-03-19 14:02:09] <hdu_hh> pdffix02: approved
[2008-03-19 14:02:12] <fne> I hope so, too
[2008-03-19 14:02:30] <PhilippL> fne: actually I meant aquavcl06 which is still new :-)
[2008-03-19 14:02:43] <fne> PhilippL: ;-)
[2008-03-19 14:02:48] <paveljanik> ;-)
[2008-03-19 14:02:51] <PhilippL> fne: I think aqua11y01 will certainly goe into beta.
[2008-03-19 14:03:03] <hdu_hh> CWS aquabmpfix01 is in progress
[2008-03-19 14:03:13] <fne> it certainly should...
[2008-03-19 14:03:39] <PhilippL> hdu_hh: despite correct output, any noticeable performance improvements ?
[2008-03-19 14:04:13] <hdu_hh> PhilippL: for some important cases : YES :-)
[2008-03-19 14:04:31] <hdu_hh> CWS aw033 is in progress too
[2008-03-19 14:04:50] <PhilippL> which will give use antialiased graphics objects ?
[2008-03-19 14:05:03] <hdu_hh> and round circles!
[2008-03-19 14:05:58] <PhilippL> ok, any other CWS news ?
[2008-03-19 14:06:23] <PhilippL> I think obr will give us the background image of the install set back in obr08
[2008-03-19 14:07:14] <PhilippL> 3. Website update
[2008-03-19 14:07:19] <shaunmcdonald> ok so it isn't just me who has a bad background in the dmgs for the DEV300_m2 builds
[2008-03-19 14:07:35] <PhilippL> currently it links to m2, I think we should link to m3 ?
[2008-03-19 14:07:45] <shaunmcdonald> DEV300_m2 is now linked to
[2008-03-19 14:07:47] <paveljanik> mine dmg was also way down the screen ;-)
[2008-03-19 14:07:59] <shaunmcdonald> DEV300_m3 isn't built yet by maho
[2008-03-19 14:08:06] <Dyrcona> -1 on m3. It has problems.
[2008-03-19 14:08:06] <PhilippL> ah, ok.
[2008-03-19 14:08:15] <PhilippL> What problems ?
[2008-03-19 14:08:21] <shaunmcdonald> paveljanik: same for me, which could be an issue for those with small screens
[2008-03-19 14:08:44] * shaunmcdonald has put the bittorrent links up last night
[2008-03-19 14:09:06] <Dyrcona> It crashed on me yesterday when changing preferences. Calc displays the thousands separator even when values are < 1000
[2008-03-19 14:09:24] <Dyrcona> weird cursor behavior in writer.
[2008-03-19 14:09:25] * shaunmcdonald will put the mirror links up shortly, and let the publicity machine run
[2008-03-19 14:09:52] <shaunmcdonald> Dyrcona: there is a weird cursor behaviour in m2
[2008-03-19 14:09:55] <PhilippL> ok, let's not update to m3 then.
[2008-03-19 14:10:06] <shaunmcdonald> press the spacebar and it doesn't always move
[2008-03-19 14:10:07] <PhilippL> What weird cursor behavior ?
[2008-03-19 14:10:21] <shaunmcdonald> it is very unreliable
[2008-03-19 14:10:25] <Dyrcona> shaun: I never used _m2. i built it then found out m3 was available. :)
[2008-03-19 14:10:38] <Dyrcona> it also doesn't show spaces at the end of a line, for instance.
[2008-03-19 14:10:48] * shaunmcdonald is a little lazy/busy when it comes to building just now
[2008-03-19 14:11:13] <Dyrcona> it abuts against the last letter of the last word, even when there's a following space.
[2008-03-19 14:11:23] <shaunmcdonald> the recent items is brilliant :-)
[2008-03-19 14:11:48] <PhilippL> it never showed spaces at the end of the line, did it ? however I also see the cursor not advancing with space sometimes.
[2008-03-19 14:12:21] <Dyrcona> phillipl: that may be true. I just never noticed it until _m3.
[2008-03-19 14:12:37] <shaunmcdonald> um, I opened a document through recent items, and it ignored the fact that it was meant to recover that document
[2008-03-19 14:12:57] <Dyrcona> oh, i had fun with a crash yesterday.
[2008-03-19 14:13:06] <Dyrcona> speaking of recovery.
[2008-03-19 14:13:19] <shaunmcdonald> so when I do tell it to recover the document, it open the document twice, once in write, and once in read-only
[2008-03-19 14:13:20] <Dyrcona> i don't know if it is reproducible, though.
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[2008-03-19 14:13:35] * shaunmcdonald hasn't had a crash of m2
[2008-03-19 14:13:43] <Dyrcona> shaun: more or less the same thing happened to me.
[2008-03-19 14:13:48] * shaunmcdonald had a kernel panic from Safari instead
[2008-03-19 14:13:49] <PhilippL> Dyrcona: :-( file an issue, we need to look into this.
[2008-03-19 14:14:19] <Dyrcona> phillipl: ok. i'll do what I did yesterday to see if I can force it to happen again.
[2008-03-19 14:14:32] <shaunmcdonald> PhilippL: issue for the cursor and space issue?
[2008-03-19 14:14:57] <PhilippL> Dyrcona: I can imagine that would happen. kill OOo with -segv to force a document recovery, then open the file via recent menu.
[2008-03-19 14:15:06] <PhilippL> shaunmcdonald: yes, to hdu_hh 
[2008-03-19 14:15:20] <shaunmcdonald> PhilippL: and also another one for a block to be added with opening a document that is to be recovered
[2008-03-19 14:15:33] <Dyrcona> i double clicked on the document from the finder after the crash.
[2008-03-19 14:15:36] <shaunmcdonald> brb
[2008-03-19 14:15:49] <Dyrcona> oo.o was hung up trying to save the file during the crash.
[2008-03-19 14:15:59] <Dyrcona> so, i force qutitted it.
[2008-03-19 14:16:00] <PhilippL> Dyrcona: ah, yes that should be the same thing actually I think.
[2008-03-19 14:16:55] <Dyrcona> i need to do a debug build so I can get stack traces, etc.
[2008-03-19 14:17:18] <Dyrcona> has anyone tried building with --enable-dgbutil? it doesn't seem to work.
[2008-03-19 14:19:01] <PhilippL> not recently, but it worked for me. What goes wrong ?
[2008-03-19 14:19:31] <shaunmcdonald> back
[2008-03-19 14:19:35] <Dyrcona> there's a build failure in tools. I forget the exact problem. It may also be because i was trying to build the SDK at the same time.
[2008-03-19 14:19:54] <Dyrcona> I'll try another build w/out odk and see what happens.
[2008-03-19 14:20:18] <PhilippL> ok, I think we're already in
[2008-03-19 14:20:21] <PhilippL> 4. Roundtable
[2008-03-19 14:20:23] <PhilippL> :-)
[2008-03-19 14:20:30] <Dyrcona> :)
[2008-03-19 14:20:57] <paveljanik> round roundtable ;-)
[2008-03-19 14:20:58] <paveljanik> almost ;-)
[2008-03-19 14:21:23] <PhilippL> paveljanik: I hope the tinderbox build of vcl87 works now ?
[2008-03-19 14:21:26] <shaunmcdonald> just a little warning, there is going to be a publicity push for DEV300_m2
[2008-03-19 14:21:33] <paveljanik> PhilippL: hopefully ;-)
[2008-03-19 14:21:45] <PhilippL> shaunmcdonald: Hmm, meaning ?
[2008-03-19 14:21:51] <paveljanik> PhilippL: my scripting doesn't work with binary images in cws, thus I have to use tinderbox :-(
[2008-03-19 14:22:00] <cloph_away> PhilippL: It wasn't only the Mac build that broke, linux did break as well...
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[2008-03-19 14:22:28] <shaunmcdonald> the files are now pretty much on the mirrors, so links on the page will be updated shortly
[2008-03-19 14:22:32] <PhilippL> cloph_away: yes, if you build from scratch. Sorry.
[2008-03-19 14:23:09] <shaunmcdonald> PhilippL: expect a higher level of bug reports / interest in the project / news articles / blog posts about the mac port
[2008-03-19 14:23:38] <PhilippL> well aside from more bugs, that can't be bad :-)
[2008-03-19 14:23:58] <shaunmcdonald> maybe some people complaining that it isn't complete yet
[2008-03-19 14:24:35] <PhilippL> I think that's stated clearly on the web page, but you're right, some people will always complain.
[2008-03-19 14:24:47] <shaunmcdonald> true
[2008-03-19 14:25:16] <shaunmcdonald> but that is the nature of users or customers
[2008-03-19 14:25:47] <PhilippL> That's the nature of human life.
[2008-03-19 14:26:01] <paveljanik> really round table ;-)
[2008-03-19 14:26:40] <Dyrcona> antialiased roundtable.
[2008-03-19 14:26:46] <PhilippL> One point: What do you think about switching the roles of Ctrl and Command in OOo generally ?
[2008-03-19 14:27:04] <PhilippL> We would get a lot of shortcuts mapped to Command (where they usually belong)
[2008-03-19 14:27:25] <shaunmcdonald> PhilippL: make as many of them as mac like as possible please
[2008-03-19 14:27:29] <PhilippL> Also e.g. Ctrl-Click to open hyperlinks would suddenly work again since it would be command-click.
[2008-03-19 14:27:36] <shaunmcdonald> then the users will be happy
[2008-03-19 14:27:49] <Dyrcona> +1
[2008-03-19 14:28:04] <shaunmcdonald> ctrl+click should give the context menu
[2008-03-19 14:28:25] <PhilippL> OK, I'll try when I'm back, let's see if problems occur (usually they do :-( )
[2008-03-19 14:29:05] <PhilippL> Speaking of which, can somebody do the protocol next week ? Me and hdu_hh will not be here probably.
[2008-03-19 14:29:29] <shaunmcdonald> to test you need to configure your mouse to be a one button mouse
[2008-03-19 14:29:46] <shaunmcdonald> PhilippL: meeting log/minute not protocol
[2008-03-19 14:30:10] <PhilippL> whatever you call it :-)
[2008-03-19 14:30:16] * shaunmcdonald will do if he is available
[2008-03-19 14:30:42] <shaunmcdonald> PhilippL: translations are fun ;-)
[2008-03-19 14:31:38] <PhilippL> shaunmcdonald: thanks.
[2008-03-19 14:31:49] <PhilippL> So any points left to discuss ?
[2008-03-19 14:32:55] <paveljanik> no
[2008-03-19 14:35:45] * Dyrcona could dot the minutes, also. 
[2008-03-19 14:35:50] * Dyrcona do, even.