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==IRC transcript of Community Council meeting 2008-10-23==
==IRC transcript of Community Council meeting 2008-10-23==
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Latest revision as of 14:43, 30 May 2010
IRC transcript of Community Council meeting 2008-10-23
- Transcript begins when MHU joins.
- Pavel Janík
- Sophie Gautier
- Cor Nouws
- André Schnabel
- Matthias Huetsch
- Martin Hollmichel
- Louis Suarez-Potts
agenda: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/The_OpenOffice.org_Community_Council_Agenda#Next_regular_meeting mhu Did I miss important stuff ? Thalion72 mhu: no, we didn't start louis_to no; we were waiting for you mhu oh, thanks ! louis_to we can start now... * mhu thinks, he needs to stay longer than :-) Thalion72 please, let's start louis_to open AIs: louis_to they are probably trademark, election, making funding processes transpaprent louis_to what else? I louis_to am going more from memory than from script Thalion72 1. Louis: to publish the draft for trademarks2. Matthias and Sophie : to send the AB letter louis_to ah, that script Thalion72 oh.. sorry 1has been done louis_to yes. Thalion72 for 2 we just need an update louis_to and we saw the reply or the letter louis_to matthias, sophie? sophi Thalion72: 2. also and I forward Jim answer a few hours ago to all of you Thalion72 sophi: I meant a more "public" summary ;) sophi Thalion72: oh yes of course :) sophi it's short and simple : no more AB mhu that would be my question also: shall Jim's response (and thus the letter) be posted to the list (for the archives) ? louis_to I see no reason why not Thalion72 mhu: we could ask Jim .. for me sophie's summary is well enough louis_to well, having the rationale would be nice * mhu this time will ask someone higher up before posting publicly, but if it's okay for Jim, I'll send it to the alias. paveljanik there are more infos than "AB does not exist". paveljanik esp. foundation tabled for 3 years. paveljanik I had to look up the word table in the dictionary... Thalion72 tabled for 3 years by the AB members paveljanik but yes, I have expected it ;-) paveljanik Thalion72: by someone. paveljanik it doesn't matter whom if Sun is there :-( CorNouws Indeed. Letter is a bit vague, but looks as ifJP finds it (foundation) addressed by improvments mentioned paveljanik I think that approx. 90% of that reply is useless and contains lot of false information. paveljanik I think it is worth asking the author if he agree to publish it, because it could be misrepresented. louis_to I just asked the author sophi paveljanik: it's not false, it's the point of view of one person Thalion72 paveljanik: yes, we should ask for approval to publish the letter paveljanik sophi: yes. POV from someone who got false informations. paveljanik but yes, we should really not spend our time on AB ;-) louis_to okay, I asked Jim P. a few minutes ago Thalion72 paveljanik: I don't think, that it is up to us (as the council) to discuss if the letter is right or wrong. There have been almost all memebers aof the AB on cc .. so they could comment louis_to adn so we can move on to something else? Thalion72 louis_to: +1 sophi louis_to: yes mhu yes CorNouws + louis_to trademarks: louis_to do we feel that the discussion has reached a point where it can be synthesized and published? louis_to I would like to send it to Sun legal, after reviewing the comments and edits, for legal review Thalion72 hmmm .. no, we are not so far (imho) CorNouws made a start reading befor yesterday, but did not fully finish for that choice CorNouws so support Thalion72 sophi louis_to: before we should discuss it with the community louis_to then let's set a deadline. I'd still like to go over it. Thalion72 to me, we are close to get an idea what the tm ploicy should look like, but we need more time for it CorNouws sophi: OK, but imput from Sun legal can also help the discussion, with options louis_to and send it to lawyers who might have to defend it for their insight sophi louis_to: and only a part have been discussed sophi CorNouws: Not sure you know Sun legal delays ;-) louis_to well, let's certainly have OOoCon as a dadline louis_to sun legal won't delay here CorNouws sophi: Ugh :( CorNouws louis_to: Ah :) louis_to they see the importance as we all do Thalion72 louis_to: OOoCon as deadline for what? * Thalion72 does not really see the importance ;) louis_to a draft that can be preseented to the community or published for comment generally Thalion72 louis_to: ok * louis_to likes deadlines b/c if followed, they get things doine louis_to sp/done louis_to further comment on this topic? Thalion72 who will work out the draft? louis_to I can take a try Thalion72 (a deadline is not worth a penny, if nobody is working to meet it) louis_to if I do not do it by Monday, then please someone else * louis_to agrees with Thalion72 Thalion72 louis_to: ok sophi louis_to: I can help louis_to thanks CorNouws May I ask untill sunday to be able to read and comment? louis_to sure, we'll be posting to trademark list, anyway Thalion72 louis_to / sophi: please ask at the tm@council list for help .. Bernahrd is normally good at synthesizing louis_to I fly back to toronto saturday and was hoping to work on it during the flight * louis_to is delighted BD is back sophi Thalion72: we will post on tm@council so he can participate Thalion72 louis_to: tm is th only issue he comments on atm louis_to ah Thalion72 but this allone is good enough :) louis_to agreed louis_to shall we move on to the third and probably longest point? Thalion72 yes louis_to Agenda CC meeting OOoCon sophi louis_to: yes louis_to Cor, others, is there a draft so far? mhu can we spend a minute on another topic ? louis_to hm. is it related to 1 or 2? mhu mmeeks has proposed a replacement / standin for his ESC seat ... CorNouws by .. mhu ..and I'd like to ask here whether that is accepted, or how to otherwise answer Thalion72 mhu: I've seen th email and +1 from my side mhu Thorsten Behrens, active developer , formerly Sun now Novell louis_to mhu: is this within the scope of the CC? louis_to i mean to decide on the acceptability of meeks' proposal mhu well ESC are appointed; I'd like to be sure, the ESC does nothing without the CC knowing / approving _Nesshof_ louis_to: we might be able to overule, but .. louis_to i see _Nesshof_ why should we, Thorsten is even a more active developer than michael sophi would it be possible to see his mail anyway? mhu I don't see an issue with Thorsten, just wanted to let you know. Thalion72 http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=esc&msgNo=344 louis_to mhu: have others on the ESC agreed? Thalion72 no answer yet sophi Thalion72: thanks mhu yes, Martin :-) paveljanik +1 louis_to and is there any apparatus in the ESC for approving standins, generally? * _Nesshof_ is just answering mhu and pavel mhu well, I guess it replacement, really. mhu s/it/it means/ louis_to mhu: does meeks use the term, "replacement?" louis_to or "stand in" louis_to one being permanent the other temporary sophi louis_to: stand in louis_to for temporary occasions, there ought not to be a prlblem louis_to for permanent, then that is a different story louis_to and demands a different response, I'd think, from the ESC members mhu well, the difference between permanent and temporary is only the length of that "temporary time interval"... sophi I think he is only speaking of Beijing meeting, no? louis_to mhu: I'm suggesting you ask meeks for clarification CorNouws and about less time for OOo mhu no, I don't care why he does not want to attend _Nesshof_ I have to correct myself: a regular member of the ESC needs to be confirmed by the CC louis_to what his intentions vis-à-vis OOo dedication are and if TB is to be a permanent replacement... louis_to right. so, if TB is to be a regular member, then the ESC can discuss that and present it to us for confirmation per the guidelines mhu okay, that clarifies it for me. mhu did not want to spend so much time on it, sorry Thalion72 and to me this is unnecessary complex louis_to no problem; thanks for the information CorNouws Agenda CC for Beijing louis_to back to agenda louis_to yes :-) CorNouws No draft yet louis_to we can guess at some obvious points: CorNouws Charter, Trademark, louis_to * new charter proposals louis_to trademark CorNouws (I was faster;) * louis_to CorNouws types faster louis_to yes louis_to sigh CorNouws agian louis_to my desk is too high Thalion72 louis to propose approves for his budgets louis_to anything else? louis_to yes. louis_to 4th item? louis_to elections, I'd say CorNouws apart from what the new charter may bring us CorNouws attention for furthering leadership in the community CorNouws to make sure items are picked up better, faster and freeer Thalion72 maybe create AIs from the face2face meeting louis_to yes, I was wondering about that louis_to thanks for the minutes, andre Thalion72 louis_to: having an EEePC while traveling via train is great ;) CorNouws Yes, and the f2f meeting is linked to my suggestion, of course Thalion72 CorNouws: yes louis_to Thalion72: I'm deeply tempted. my airplane seats were too cramped to work, at one point louis_to so, can we have then a clear 4th item for discussion? louis_to perhaps by OOoCon? Thalion72 CorNouws: the only problem I see with this is, that the Council Meeting is at the first day. Normally we will collect the best ideas during OOoCon louis_to I'd also like to do what we did last year: public engagement louis_to Thalion72: we can do both sophi Thalion72: agreed CorNouws Thalion72: I do not understand you louis_to we do have some time ion the last day and can use it for a public engagement to discuss issues raised during the conference. Thalion72 louis_to: ok - wouod be fine for me mhu fine for me as well CorNouws ok also sophi CorNouws: there is a lot f2f meeting that help to raise issues and ideas during OOoCon CorNouws and those could be usefull when discussing leadership in the community ? Thalion72 CorNouws: yes louis_to proposal: to ask peter junge to allott us 1.5 hours on the last day for a public meeting to discuss issues raised during the conference louis_to we can see if we can pipe john in vie televideo or conference.... louis_to it worked great with brazil Thalion72 louis_to: ok .. and I hope we do not neet to wear protective clothing louis_to ;-) louis_to yes, that comes to mind... flame proof CorNouws proposal ok for me, but I like to start discussing the point also at the first cc meeting .. louis_to yes, we will. the end meeting is more I hope a place where all can raise issues for us to consider and where we can freely discuss them Thalion72 CorNouws: ok ... can you define the agenda item (in short words?) CorNouws Thalion72: improving leadership in the community ? louis_to hm. /me wonders why "leadershp" and not, say, engagement louis_to so, I'd like to suggest, rather, the latter. CorNouws because in my experience that are different things louis_to and then suggest we work with marketing and education on specific proposals CorNouws we can ask engagement, and must organize leadership louis_to CorNouws: to me, leadership happens. engagmement needs more structural work. Thalion72 CorNouws / louis_to: yes it seems you are focusing different things louis_to agreed louis_to we both want a sustainable community louis_to and so I'd propose we work with the above groups and also add others so that we can get there CorNouws of course. And the name of the agenda point is not the most important, probably louis_to perhaps; it's just that in english, leadership means something pretty strong Thalion72 can we please put both terms to the agenda louis_to and open source has that but it's really as much about being able to get things done and to have community louis_to so, yes, we can... Thalion72 it think, we should discuss about "leadership" at least to understand what we mean by this CorNouws you may use coordination, pretty close to what I feel louis_to Item 4: discuss strategies for improving the conditions for developing contributors to and leaders of OOo louis_to how is that? louis_to and then be specific: louis_to by : louis_to * asking markeiting to take this as a focus louis_to * education as a means of creating new contributors louis_to * NLC, as well, to reach out on regional level to would-be or established contributors louis_to is that better? * louis_to notes the above more or less fits into John and Jacqueline's SMP Thalion72 the summary is ok .. i would put something else as the specifics louis_to go ahead... Thalion72 I'd like to see some points from the Hamburg meeting to be dicussed and worked on louis_to yes. louis_to would you want to suggest which? Thalion72 and these are more structural points that really belong to "leadershp" louis_to okay Thalion72 e.g. the addendum to the concil charter (what we as the council think, what we are able to do, what we should do ...) louis_to ah, yes, that is very important and must be there louis_to thanks CorNouws ok, thanks Thalion72. I think that is clear enough to start in Beijing? louis_to :-) * louis_to loves CorNouws's dry irony CorNouws Thanks, but mybe in my culture/habits it isn't ;) Thalion72 ok .. any more points for the agenda? (current or Beijing?) louis_to I have nothing now but would urge members here to add things if they think of them asap Thalion72 ahh.. elections CorNouws Is it necessary to prepare some items? louis_to CorNouws: I do not understand what you mean? mhu what about the "issues around 3.0" discussion ? Thalion72 we should at least decide if we would hold elections, with or without a new charter louis_to the agenda has to be drafted up in a readable form. and we ought to add (must add) elections CorNouws charter is well prepared, IMO. trademark is being worked on louis_to Thalion72: I agree. I would strongly urge we hold elections with or without as soon as feasible, and ask that I be helped in setting them up mhu I would like to add the "issues around 3.0" discussion to the agenda, if we don't resolve that via email until then CorNouws mhu: agree louis_to mhu: okay. CorNouws but not sure yet how to name that item .. CorNouws apart from leadership ;) Thalion72 mhu: ok mhu well, that's not leadership, but "speaking bad of the project that feeds me ..." sophi CorNouws: that's not only leader ship there's also the site issue mhu and, yes: the site also * mhu almost forgot collab * louis_to wonders if we can discuss the collab issue before beijing or def have it as something with less priority louis_to I think we need to prioritize, and would suggest that the things we were discusisng, plus elections are priority mhu I think the site issue is more of daily business, we can do that any time sophi louis_to: agreed mhu but I don't want to defer the other part of the "issues around 3.0" discussion louis_to mhu: feel free to summarize as an agenda item and add it ot wiki louis_to ot/to CorNouws mhu: indeed! and addressing that needs some preparation, by mail.. mhu okay Thalion72 mhu: ok .. but if i get it right, Martin is working on a draft. So we might get this resolved even before OOo Con ... but it'sok with me, if this is at the agenda mhu if we resolve that early, I am fine. CorNouws me too, if.. louis_to let's try * _Nesshof_ will try to send out the draft tomorrow louis_to I have not participated but will intervene (send in my comments) louis_to thanks sophi _Nesshof_: thanks mhu thanks, Martin CorNouws _Nesshof_: Thanks! louis_to any other agenda items or business we should take care of tonight? mhu not from me Thalion72 no sophi louis_to: it's ok for me CorNouws me to louis_to if no one objects, then I'd like to call the meeting adjourned mhu okay sophi louis_to: ok and thanks louis_to with AI to put up the Agenda for OOoCon and to do the trademrark louis_to thanks _Nesshof_ ok, by CorNouws bye all mhu bye all sophi bye all louis_to bye all