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=== What is OpenOffice.org X11 for Mac OS X / Darwin PPC?===
 
OpenOffice.org X11 is a version of OpenOffice.org (OOo for short) that uses the UNIX system, that the Mac OS X is based on. So, the OpenOffice.org X11 behaves like a UNIX program within Mac OS X. The program can be used quite productively on Mac OS X system, if you are an experienced Mac OS X user or familiar with UNIX systems (e.g. Linux). If you know what UNIX means, you should be able to work with OpenOffice.org X11 with relatively little effort.
 
 
'''For developers:''' OpenOffice.org X11 uses LGPL license and is developed within openoffice.org CVS. You will also have to sign a [http://contributing.openoffice.org/programming.html JCA] (read the bottom of the page) to contribute to the effort.
 
 
More information about OpenOffice.org X11 in [http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ OpenOffice.org Mac porting pages]
 
  
 
=== What is NeoOffice? ===
 
=== What is NeoOffice? ===
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More informations in [http://neowiki.sixthcrusade.com/index.php/NeoJInfo About NeoOffice]
 
More informations in [http://neowiki.sixthcrusade.com/index.php/NeoJInfo About NeoOffice]
  
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=== What is OpenOffice.org X11 for Mac OS X / Darwin PPC/Intel ? ===
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OpenOffice.org X11 is a version of OpenOffice.org (OOo for short) that uses the UNIX system, that the Mac OS X is based on. So, the OpenOffice.org X11 behaves like a UNIX program within Mac OS X. The program can be used quite productively on Mac OS X system, if you are an experienced Mac OS X user or familiar with UNIX systems (e.g. Linux). If you know what UNIX means, you should be able to work with OpenOffice.org X11 with relatively little effort.
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'''[http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/download/aqua.html  Download Aqua version (development)]'''
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The Mac/X11 version can now be considered deprecated. It can still be build and as far as known still runs, but there will not be much development effort invested in it anytime soon. Please use the native Aqua port instead.
  
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'''For developers:''' OpenOffice.org X11 uses LGPL license and is developed within openoffice.org CVS. You will also have to sign a [http://contributing.openoffice.org/programming.html JCA] (read the bottom of the page) to contribute to the effort.
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More information about OpenOffice.org X11 in [http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ OpenOffice.org Mac porting pages]
  
Mac OS X port Home: '''[[http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ Mac OS X port Home]]'''
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===Native OpenOffice.org port status ===
  
'''3rd February 2007 OpenOffice.org Mac Porting team announces'''
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OpenOffice.org for Mac/Aqua is considered an established port with the 3.0 release. There are a number of known (an probably a greater number of unknown :-) ) issues left, but that is the same for all other established ports. Mac/Aqua is now considered one of the primary platforms.
'''[http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/news/2007/20070203toptenbeforealpha.html The TOP 10 of issues before Alpha version of native OpenOffice.org for Mac OS X]'''
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Mac OS X port Home: [[http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ Mac OS X port Home]]
  
'''All other Aqua links:'''
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Aqua links: [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Aqua Aqua Version of OpenOffice.org]]
  
'''[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Aqua Aqua Version of OpenOffice.org]]'''
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Blogs: [[http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/links.html Developers blogs]]
 
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'''Some news and other links:'''
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'''[[http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/news/news2007.html News from 2007]]'''
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'''[[http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/news/news2006.html News from 2006]]'''
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'''[[http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/news/news2005.html News from 2005]]'''
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'''Blogs:'''
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'''[[http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/links.html Developers blogs]]'''
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=== What is OpenOffice.org Aqua/Native port (without X11)?===
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'''Starting in October 2005''', there has been an effort to revive the direct native port of OpenOffice.org for Mac OS X. In Jan 2006 this effort was at its first stages.
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Current status is: Top 10 of issues before public alpha version. Alpha means not complete, but already functional. The missing features will be progressively implemented, depending on resources.
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See previous part for more news about this effort.
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'''A:''' You can download both from respective sites.
 
'''A:''' You can download both from respective sites.
  
[http://download.openoffice.org/ Download OpenOffice.org from here] (openoffice.org). Note that you have to have Apple X11 installed (see Q6).
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[http://download.openoffice.org/ Download OpenOffice.org from here] (openoffice.org)
  
 
[http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Downloads Download NeoOffice from here] (neooffice.org)
 
[http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Downloads Download NeoOffice from here] (neooffice.org)
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If you want to really understand the situation, here's some additional reading for you: [http://neowiki.sixthcrusade.com/index.php/History_of_NeoOffice_and_OpenOffice.org:_Introduction History of NeoOffice and OpenOffice.org], [http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=mac&msgNo=125 Quote from Patrick] may explain some of the licensing situation, and finally, you may also want to read [http://www.planamesa.com/neojava/en/faq.php another FAQ]
 
If you want to really understand the situation, here's some additional reading for you: [http://neowiki.sixthcrusade.com/index.php/History_of_NeoOffice_and_OpenOffice.org:_Introduction History of NeoOffice and OpenOffice.org], [http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=mac&msgNo=125 Quote from Patrick] may explain some of the licensing situation, and finally, you may also want to read [http://www.planamesa.com/neojava/en/faq.php another FAQ]
  
=== Q3: Where do I get support for OpenOffice.org X11? ===
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=== Q3: Where do I get support for OpenOffice.org Mac/Aqua ? ===
 
'''A:''' The [http://support.openoffice.org/ support.openoffice.org] is the main place for all support related to openoffice.org.
 
'''A:''' The [http://support.openoffice.org/ support.openoffice.org] is the main place for all support related to openoffice.org.
  
 
The [http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/support.html OpenOffice.org for Mac OSX support page] is specifically for Mac OS X users.
 
The [http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/support.html OpenOffice.org for Mac OSX support page] is specifically for Mac OS X users.
  
=== Q4: But everybody could use OpenOffice.org X11...? ===
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=== Q4: But it would be more efficient, if there would be only one effort...===
'''A:''' Yes, to use OpenOffice.org, Apple X11 or XDarwin must be installed  (see Q1).
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=== Q5: But it would be more efficient, if there would be only one effort...===
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'''A:''' Probably. A proposal to work together has been made, and NeoOffice developers refused.  
 
'''A:''' Probably. A proposal to work together has been made, and NeoOffice developers refused.  
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A big part of changes are using Java in NeoOffice, and this is as wrote Ed Peterlin, a short term choice. The Java part of NeoOffice is not interesting for OpenOffice.org since OpenOffice.org project wants to use only Cocoa/Carbon.
 
A big part of changes are using Java in NeoOffice, and this is as wrote Ed Peterlin, a short term choice. The Java part of NeoOffice is not interesting for OpenOffice.org since OpenOffice.org project wants to use only Cocoa/Carbon.
  
=== Q6: What is this X11 thing and how do I install it?===
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=== Q5: OK. I downloaded OpenOffice.org X11. How do I use it? ===
'''A:''' To be able to use OpenOffice.org X11 for Mac OS X / Darwin PPC, you have to have Apple X11 installed. It allows graphical UNIX programs to be run in Mac OS X.
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The X11.app is located in Application -> Utilities folder.
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Please consider using the standard Mac/Aqua port instead. The X11 version is not going to be around indefinitely. However here is some legacy information:
 
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If you do not have X11 installed, '''Tiger''' users can install it from the Mac OS X 10.4 install DVD by running the '''Optional Installs''' package. You may need to scroll down in the Mac OS X Install DVD file listing to see the package. Once the optional installer is running, select '''X11''' from the Applications list. For more information on how to install X11 see:
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[http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301229 Apple Support Article 301229]. The
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'''Panther''' users will need to download X11 from [http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/x11formacosx.html Apple's webpages].
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'''Intel or 10.4.x''' cannot install the X11User.dmg that Apple supplies on its web site. It will tell you newer software is already installed. Instead insert your installation disc 1 and look up
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=== Q7: OK. I downloaded OpenOffice.org X11. How do I use it? ===
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'''The complete installation, either for PowerPC or Intel machines''' and even more are described (currently) in .pdf format for the following locales:
 
'''The complete installation, either for PowerPC or Intel machines''' and even more are described (currently) in .pdf format for the following locales:
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* '''German''': http://de.openoffice.org/files/documents/66/3209/MacOSX_Install_de_HowTo_OOo2_1.4.pdf
 
* '''German''': http://de.openoffice.org/files/documents/66/3209/MacOSX_Install_de_HowTo_OOo2_1.4.pdf
 
* '''French''': http://fr.openoffice.org/docs/MacOSX_Install_fr_HowTo_OOo2_V1.4.pdf
 
* '''French''': http://fr.openoffice.org/docs/MacOSX_Install_fr_HowTo_OOo2_V1.4.pdf
 
Any other contribution and other translations are welcome!!
 
  
 
Further informations are available at: '''http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/'''
 
Further informations are available at: '''http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/'''
 
 
Please contact us on mac@porting mailing list if you are willing to translate thes HowTo's in your locale.
 
 
=== Q8: Where can I compare the features of the different office applications? ===
 
To be completed with objective values.
 
 
When Aqua will be out. Doesn't make sense before
 

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What is NeoOffice?

NeoOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org for Mac OS X.

Fork Means NeoOffice is another project, and is not OpenOffice.org. This way, NeoOffice project does not contribute to OpenOffice.org, and does not help to fix any OpenOffice.org bug.

Using Java/Cocoa binding, its look is like native integration with the Mac OS X system. This means, for example, native access to all the fonts in Mac OS X a different way than OpenOffice.org does (OpenOffice.org does use all Apple fonts, but not the same way).

NeoOffice uses GPL license and is built on top of OpenOffice.org X11 by using Java/Cocoa bindings for the User Interface (UI).

Said differently, it means uses a license not compatible with OpenOffice.org, so, to avoid legal issues, NeoOffice code cannot be used in OpenOffice.org, and OpenOffice.org developers must entirely rewrite the code for the same features.

More informations in About NeoOffice

What is OpenOffice.org X11 for Mac OS X / Darwin PPC/Intel ?

OpenOffice.org X11 is a version of OpenOffice.org (OOo for short) that uses the UNIX system, that the Mac OS X is based on. So, the OpenOffice.org X11 behaves like a UNIX program within Mac OS X. The program can be used quite productively on Mac OS X system, if you are an experienced Mac OS X user or familiar with UNIX systems (e.g. Linux). If you know what UNIX means, you should be able to work with OpenOffice.org X11 with relatively little effort.

The Mac/X11 version can now be considered deprecated. It can still be build and as far as known still runs, but there will not be much development effort invested in it anytime soon. Please use the native Aqua port instead.

For developers: OpenOffice.org X11 uses LGPL license and is developed within openoffice.org CVS. You will also have to sign a JCA (read the bottom of the page) to contribute to the effort.

More information about OpenOffice.org X11 in OpenOffice.org Mac porting pages

Native OpenOffice.org port status

OpenOffice.org for Mac/Aqua is considered an established port with the 3.0 release. There are a number of known (an probably a greater number of unknown :-) ) issues left, but that is the same for all other established ports. Mac/Aqua is now considered one of the primary platforms.

Mac OS X port Home: [Mac OS X port Home]

Aqua links: [Aqua Version of OpenOffice.org]

Blogs: [Developers blogs]


Q1: Where can I find OpenOffice.org or NeoOffice?

A: You can download both from respective sites.

Download OpenOffice.org from here (openoffice.org)

Download NeoOffice from here (neooffice.org)

Q2: Why does there seem to be several parallel efforts?

A: This is a very normal situation in open source. And because of historical and personal choices.

This mail from Kevin Hendricks provides some historical details.

If you want to really understand the situation, here's some additional reading for you: History of NeoOffice and OpenOffice.org, Quote from Patrick may explain some of the licensing situation, and finally, you may also want to read another FAQ

Q3: Where do I get support for OpenOffice.org Mac/Aqua ?

A: The support.openoffice.org is the main place for all support related to openoffice.org.

The OpenOffice.org for Mac OSX support page is specifically for Mac OS X users.

Q4: But it would be more efficient, if there would be only one effort...

A: Probably. A proposal to work together has been made, and NeoOffice developers refused.

OpenOffice.org does concern several developers who are working on their free time only. Any change is for OpenOffice.org project, and the name of the developer who wrote the code does not appear in the code after integration : this is community project.

The NeoOffice project is a Patrick Luby and Ed Peterlin project only.

The problem is : there is curently no possibility for OpenOffice.org to use NeoOffice code, even if this code is interesting, because of the licensing issues. So every change must be rewritten for OpenOffice.org project, using another implementation.

A big part of changes are using Java in NeoOffice, and this is as wrote Ed Peterlin, a short term choice. The Java part of NeoOffice is not interesting for OpenOffice.org since OpenOffice.org project wants to use only Cocoa/Carbon.

Q5: OK. I downloaded OpenOffice.org X11. How do I use it?

Please consider using the standard Mac/Aqua port instead. The X11 version is not going to be around indefinitely. However here is some legacy information:

The complete installation, either for PowerPC or Intel machines and even more are described (currently) in .pdf format for the following locales:

Further informations are available at: http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/

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