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+ | [18:27] <ericb2> Other suggestions ? | ||
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+ | [18:27] <ericb2> Next point ? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:27] <Twarz> Sure | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:28] <ericb2> 3. A point for ongoing projects | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:29] <ericb2> Ok, I got a lot to say, so I'll shoot first | ||
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+ | [18:29] <ericb2> Project with Ecole Centrale Nantes : second part of the project started last year, about implement HP Tablet for PC. The cws name | ||
+ | is : eraser01, and the current source code is based on mercurial, using milestone around m49. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:29] <cbosdonnat> Jayanga is still stalled with his machine crash... he is installing the first linux he could get a hand on | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:29] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: sorry | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:29] cbosdonnat ChanServ | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:29] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: please finish | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:29] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, oh, that's basically all for Jayanga | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:30] * ericb2 not surprised | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:30] <ericb2> Back to the project with ECN | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:30] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, I was really surprised to see that he produce mockups for the wrong wizard ;) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:30] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: oh ? Wow, indeed | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:31] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, yes... that's real | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:32] <ericb2> I'll add more info about the ECN project, to avoid people confused | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:32] <ericb2> Introduction : since july, we had to rebase, with mercurial. Was a nightmare between svn and mercurial, at a point we were not sure | ||
+ | the rebase (thanks to Throsten) was complete. To accelrate the project, I had to carefully compare both trees . | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:32] <ericb2> Concerned : a group of 4 (5?) students | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> I decied to help the students, because rebase and co is not trivial. That's done, and we now have some interesting patch, which | ||
+ | allows us to start the real work | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> Current known issues are : | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> - we can change the pen width, but we need to do it twice, to set the effect | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> - The eraser does not work at all | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> - every action needs to be done twice (why ?) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> - the pen color is not initialized | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> - something still wrong with the UI (some .src file) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> Concerned modules are : offapi, cppcanvas, sd, slideshow | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> Todo for the current iteration : | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> - fix all of issues | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> - factorize the code | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> - protect at build time, using #ifdef ENABLE_PRESENTER_EXTRA_UI | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:33] <ericb2> - complete the specs | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:34] <ericb2> Next iteration : | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:34] <ericb2> - finalize the choice of the final features | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:34] <ericb2> - QA | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:34] <ericb2> - (, to be defined, what I forgot ... and so on) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:34] <ericb2> That all for the eraser01 project status | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:34] * b_michaelsen (n=bm220373@nat/sun/session) has joined #education.openoffice.org | ||
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+ | [18:35] <ericb2> any news from other work in progress ? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:35] <Twarz> I'll say a few word about OOo4Kids' sugarization | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:36] <Twarz> We currently are trying to set up a new organisation for the essential files of OOo4Kids: for OOo4Kids to work properly as a Sugar | ||
+ | Activity, files need to be organized very neatly | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:37] <Twarz> This isn't easy because we need to cut every un-needed files to take as little place as possible, but keep everything necessary. Also, | ||
+ | it is pretty hard to organize them and make OOo4Kids | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:37] <Twarz> launch correctly | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:37] <Twarz> Sooo, we are still working on that. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:37] <ericb2> Twarz: I'm so sorry, I didn't work on that yet. Did you contact Stephan Bergmannn (alias sb) ? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:37] <ericb2> Twarz: this is the guy to ask for the reorganization | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:37] <Twarz> (We didn't have as much time as we would like, some bugs came up on OOo4Kids and we tried to fix them) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:38] <Twarz> ericb2, I didn't yet, I didn't remember you asking me to contact him... I'll do it tomorrow at all cost | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:39] <ericb2> Twarz: ask sb is the right way to proceed cleanly | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:40] <ericb2> Twarz: Kidd thanks for your work | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:40] * pierrep_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:40] <ericb2> Next point ? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:40] <Twarz> ericb2, thanks for your help ! | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:40] <ericb2> Twarz: you're welcome ! | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:40] <ericb2> 4. misc | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:41] <ericb2> Misc means questions not listed in the agenda | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:41] <ericb2> feel free to ask | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:41] <ericb2> Next point will be : next meeting | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:41] <Twarz> No question on my side | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:42] <Kidd> no question too | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:43] * ericb2 wanted to say : Next meeting : next week, same hour, means : Thursday 5th November 17:00 UTC or 18:00 CEST (Paris Hamburg) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:44] <ericb2> please confirm ! | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:45] <Twarz> Sure, fine with me | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:45] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, I'm not sure to be able to attend as this will be ooocon next week | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:45] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: ah, yes, good catch | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:45] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, I guess it's pretty much the same for Thorsten | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:46] <ericb2> maybe postpone the next meeting to the next week ? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:46] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, ok for me | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:46] <ericb2> would be the 12sd November instead | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:46] <ericb2> yes, looks a better idea | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:46] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, but this doesn't prevent you to have some status meeting next week as well :) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:47] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: I prefer see you and thorsten to help me ;) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:47] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, I have just remembered that the mercurial classroom is on 11th of November | ||
+ | [18:47] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, which is public holiday in France | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:48] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: I know, but it was not that easy to find a date | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:49] <ericb2> To be sure, did everybody notice the 12nd November as next meeting day for the Education Project ? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:50] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: of course: we provide them every time, and put them on the wiki | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:51] <ericb2> Ok, if nobody objects, the meeting is over, and the log available at : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Previous_Education_Meetings_logs/October_2009/29nd_October | ||
+ | |||
+ | [18:51] <ericb2> thanks for attending, and see you ! | ||
+ | |||
+ | [[Category:Education]][[Category:Chatlog]] |
Latest revision as of 18:28, 29 October 2009
[18:00] <ericb2> Meeting time ?
[18:01] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, yes
[18:01] <ericb2> Twarz: Kidd : ping ?
[18:01] <Kidd> ericb2, pong
[18:02] <ericb2> thorsten is excused, and advertised me he"d not be able to attend
[18:02] <ericb2> pierrep_: around ?
[18:02] <ericb2> Kidd: hello :-)
[18:02] <ericb2> Let's go
[18:02] <ericb2> Agenda for 29th of October 2009 meeting :
[18:02] <pierrep_> ericb2, yep
[18:02] <ericb2> 1. Welcome new students/ devs
[18:02] <ericb2> 2. ClassRooms list
[18:02] <ericb2> 3. A point for ongoing projects
[18:02] <ericb2> 4. misc
[18:02] <pierrep_> Kidd, Twarz hi
[18:03] <Kidd> pierrep, hi!
[18:03] <Twarz> Hi all
[18:03] <ericb2> evening good people :)
[18:03] <ericb2> 1. Welcome new students/ devs
[18:04] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, don't fake Fridrich: he's the only true one :)
[18:04] <ericb2> to the newcomers, it's time to present yourself, shortly, and explain us what you expect .. what you want to achieve (mostly projects I guess)
[18:04] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: ;-)
[18:05] <ericb2> Metrokid, alias Jonathan Winandy is not able to attend too, and I'll represent him for the point 3
[18:05] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, I guess we can skip this today: everybody has been hanging here for a long time
[18:06] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: sure, let's start the point 2
[18:06] <ericb2> 2. ClassRooms list
[18:06] <ericb2> We progressed since last week
[18:06] <ericb2> looking at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_ClassRoom/Agenda
[18:07] <ericb2> Heiner Rechtien ( Sun Release Engineer) proposed a final date
[18:07] <ericb2> Title is : OpenOffice.org Mercurial migration
[18:07] <ericb2> In preparation, will be scheduled soon :
[18:07] <ericb2> 2) gdb (introduction, and use)
[18:07] <ericb2> Thomas Fontenay (alias Twarz) and me : introduction to gdb, and gdb use with OpenOffice.org
[18:07] <ericb2> Status: we started to prepare the event together (with Thomas), and we'll probably provide some code to do an online workout.
[18:08] <Twarz> We will make your build crash, don't worry about it. :)
[18:08] <ericb2> Kidd: if you want to participate too, you are welcome
[18:08] <Kidd> i'd be glad to help :)
[18:08] <cbosdonnat> Twarz, there is no need of gdb to make it crash :D
[18:09] <Twarz> cbosdonnat, what I mean is that we will probably provide some patches to make OOo crash even more... some kind of exercise ;)
[18:09] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, I can provide some infos on my gdb config (useful for Writer debug)
[18:09] <cbosdonnat> Twarz, hehe :D
[18:09] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: thanks. I remember you proposed to help, and why not add you in the ClassRoom
[18:09] <ericb2> 3) Elipse
[18:09] <ericb2> Cedric Bosdonnat (scheduled) : something about Eclipse use and/or Eclipse plugin.
[18:09] <ericb2> Eclipse sorry :)
[18:10] <cbosdonnat> to all: what would interest you more? getting into OOEclipse internals? or using it?
[18:11] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: as newbie with this tool : discover Eclipse first ...
[18:11] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, ok
[18:11] <ericb2> but other should give their opinions too
[18:11] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, we'll have to find out how to prepare all those stuffs
[18:12] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, a first session on how to use it would be nice (along with a Java UNO extension talk)
[18:12] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, then we could go into the internals ;)
[18:13] <ericb2> @all : just a little remark : I strongly suggest to cut the ClassRooms in little parts. the reason is very simple : the people who discover the thing, need an adaptation time
[18:13] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, of course
[18:13] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: so, two or three ClassRooms is not a bad idea
[18:14] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: e.g. we could alternate with gdb or so ..
[18:14] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, nice idea
[18:15] <ericb2> Other suggestion :
[18:15] <ericb2> 4) Introduction to the build system ( Mac, Linux and Windows)
[18:15] <ericb2> Part 1: prepare a build, the tools and so on.
[18:15] <ericb2> Part2 : build other products : ooo-build and OOo4Kids
[18:16] <ericb2> .. all of this could constitute a beginning of -sort of- course
[18:16] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, yes
[18:16] <ericb2> and thorsten maybe could enlight us about something graphical related ? Will suggest him ...
[18:17] <cbosdonnat> wouldn't it be nice to have some well-established sessions to repeat for newcomers ?
[18:17] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: good idea !
[18:17] * thorsten thinks screencast, or webinar ;)
[18:17] <cbosdonnat> thorsten, good idea
[18:17] * thorsten sneaks in from a call ;)
[18:18] <cbosdonnat> thorsten, that would allow us to provide more than simple text ;)
[18:18] <cbosdonnat> thorsten, we could start with webinars and then start to record them
[18:20] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, this would be good for the Eclipse session as there are a lot of graphical interface handling
[18:20] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: I don't know well those tools, but yes, I fully agree: let's experiment
[18:20] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, thorsten the crucial point is to find a way to avoid paying tools
[18:21] <ericb2> jza: when you'll read me : what do you suggest ? I know you know this domain too
[18:22] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: can we add the point: present a plan for ClassRooms organization, say next week (or in two weeks if the delay is too short) ?
[18:22] <jza> ericb2: uuuh... sorry I need to follow the conversation.
[18:24] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, https://www.webhuddle.com/
[18:24] <cbosdonnat> http://www.dimdim.com
[18:24] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, they only are Webinar tools :)
[18:24] <jza> ericb2: there was a virtual congress online last week, with speakers from all over the world, they used ustream and a mibbits IRC channel. This avoid us a lot of monolitic infrastructure like dimdim.
[18:24] <jza> I have used WizIQ in the past with good results.
[18:25] * ericb2 noticed everything
[18:25] <ericb2> jza: thank you
[18:25] <ericb2> ok, so I'll ask Mathieu Paret to investigate (his job after all ;)
[18:26] <ericb2> timeline : not the next meeting but in two weeks, for the results
[18:26] <ericb2> (proposed timeline)
[18:27] <ericb2> Other suggestions ?
[18:27] <ericb2> Next point ?
[18:27] <Twarz> Sure
[18:28] <ericb2> 3. A point for ongoing projects
[18:29] <ericb2> Ok, I got a lot to say, so I'll shoot first
[18:29] <ericb2> Project with Ecole Centrale Nantes : second part of the project started last year, about implement HP Tablet for PC. The cws name is : eraser01, and the current source code is based on mercurial, using milestone around m49.
[18:29] <cbosdonnat> Jayanga is still stalled with his machine crash... he is installing the first linux he could get a hand on
[18:29] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: sorry
[18:29] cbosdonnat ChanServ
[18:29] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: please finish
[18:29] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, oh, that's basically all for Jayanga
[18:30] * ericb2 not surprised
[18:30] <ericb2> Back to the project with ECN
[18:30] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, I was really surprised to see that he produce mockups for the wrong wizard ;)
[18:30] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: oh ? Wow, indeed
[18:31] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, yes... that's real
[18:32] <ericb2> I'll add more info about the ECN project, to avoid people confused
[18:32] <ericb2> Introduction : since july, we had to rebase, with mercurial. Was a nightmare between svn and mercurial, at a point we were not sure the rebase (thanks to Throsten) was complete. To accelrate the project, I had to carefully compare both trees .
[18:32] <ericb2> Concerned : a group of 4 (5?) students
[18:33] <ericb2> I decied to help the students, because rebase and co is not trivial. That's done, and we now have some interesting patch, which allows us to start the real work
[18:33] <ericb2> Current known issues are :
[18:33] <ericb2> - we can change the pen width, but we need to do it twice, to set the effect
[18:33] <ericb2> - The eraser does not work at all
[18:33] <ericb2> - every action needs to be done twice (why ?)
[18:33] <ericb2> - the pen color is not initialized
[18:33] <ericb2> - something still wrong with the UI (some .src file)
[18:33] <ericb2> Concerned modules are : offapi, cppcanvas, sd, slideshow
[18:33] <ericb2> Todo for the current iteration :
[18:33] <ericb2> - fix all of issues
[18:33] <ericb2> - factorize the code
[18:33] <ericb2> - protect at build time, using #ifdef ENABLE_PRESENTER_EXTRA_UI
[18:33] <ericb2> - complete the specs
[18:34] <ericb2> Next iteration :
[18:34] <ericb2> - finalize the choice of the final features
[18:34] <ericb2> - QA
[18:34] <ericb2> - (, to be defined, what I forgot ... and so on)
[18:34] <ericb2> That all for the eraser01 project status
[18:34] * b_michaelsen (n=bm220373@nat/sun/session) has joined #education.openoffice.org
[18:35] <ericb2> any news from other work in progress ?
[18:35] <Twarz> I'll say a few word about OOo4Kids' sugarization
[18:36] <Twarz> We currently are trying to set up a new organisation for the essential files of OOo4Kids: for OOo4Kids to work properly as a Sugar Activity, files need to be organized very neatly
[18:37] <Twarz> This isn't easy because we need to cut every un-needed files to take as little place as possible, but keep everything necessary. Also, it is pretty hard to organize them and make OOo4Kids
[18:37] <Twarz> launch correctly
[18:37] <Twarz> Sooo, we are still working on that.
[18:37] <ericb2> Twarz: I'm so sorry, I didn't work on that yet. Did you contact Stephan Bergmannn (alias sb) ?
[18:37] <ericb2> Twarz: this is the guy to ask for the reorganization
[18:37] <Twarz> (We didn't have as much time as we would like, some bugs came up on OOo4Kids and we tried to fix them)
[18:38] <Twarz> ericb2, I didn't yet, I didn't remember you asking me to contact him... I'll do it tomorrow at all cost
[18:39] <ericb2> Twarz: ask sb is the right way to proceed cleanly
[18:40] <ericb2> Twarz: Kidd thanks for your work
[18:40] * pierrep_ has quit (Remote closed the connection)
[18:40] <ericb2> Next point ?
[18:40] <Twarz> ericb2, thanks for your help !
[18:40] <ericb2> Twarz: you're welcome !
[18:40] <ericb2> 4. misc
[18:41] <ericb2> Misc means questions not listed in the agenda
[18:41] <ericb2> feel free to ask
[18:41] <ericb2> Next point will be : next meeting
[18:41] <Twarz> No question on my side
[18:42] <Kidd> no question too
[18:43] * ericb2 wanted to say : Next meeting : next week, same hour, means : Thursday 5th November 17:00 UTC or 18:00 CEST (Paris Hamburg)
[18:44] <ericb2> please confirm !
[18:45] <Twarz> Sure, fine with me
[18:45] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, I'm not sure to be able to attend as this will be ooocon next week
[18:45] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: ah, yes, good catch
[18:45] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, I guess it's pretty much the same for Thorsten
[18:46] <ericb2> maybe postpone the next meeting to the next week ?
[18:46] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, ok for me
[18:46] <ericb2> would be the 12sd November instead
[18:46] <ericb2> yes, looks a better idea
[18:46] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, but this doesn't prevent you to have some status meeting next week as well :)
[18:47] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: I prefer see you and thorsten to help me ;)
[18:47] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, I have just remembered that the mercurial classroom is on 11th of November [18:47] <cbosdonnat> ericb2, which is public holiday in France
[18:48] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: I know, but it was not that easy to find a date
[18:49] <ericb2> To be sure, did everybody notice the 12nd November as next meeting day for the Education Project ?
[18:50] <ericb2> cbosdonnat: of course: we provide them every time, and put them on the wiki
[18:51] <ericb2> Ok, if nobody objects, the meeting is over, and the log available at : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Previous_Education_Meetings_logs/October_2009/29nd_October
[18:51] <ericb2> thanks for attending, and see you !